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Post by andrei on May 8, 2023 17:21:50 GMT
Funny. Haven't I specified that the strategy where Richard and Calmness is used is a win? And let's be honest. Richard + Calmness is already a win. Vlad just makes it no loss win. I agree Vlad is good when supported with such a strong setup. I wad speaking about comparison as a stand alone general. And You are now again providing a situation when Vlad is awesome. Regarding I don't know how to use Vlad... Hm strange statement as I used absolutely same strategy as You in treasure missions. This strategy is obvious. And I breezed through it using vlad and Richard so I am fully aware of how to use him. Try to attack at least mixed legions (if counter infantry in front seems not fair enough to You) using Vlad as a standalone gen and using Mehmed. Nothing else is necessary. Comparison is comparison. Compare them as stand alone. Tactical support is not the case. Any solid gen is fine if You know how to play. First of all, you are not right that only Richard + Calmness is enough to win, the enemy hits hard through the counter attack, especially if they have Def Inf or Range units, your generals would quickly lose health. As a lone wolf, Mehmed is better, but again it depends more on the type of units, but even in that case he is nothing spectacular, that does not make him the best, nor does it make Vlad III average. This game was not even designed to be played that way, the Generals should work as a team and get the most out of each other, and Vlad III fits perfectly into that concept. What concept You are talking about? Beating treasure missions? There many ways of team play. Vlad is awesome for treasure. Never said anything against that. But in other modes he is worse than properly setup archer gen (and consequently than Mehmed) as almost any cav gen is worse than archer gen. Richard is probably the ultimate power still due to mass attack block which 8s obviously better than Vlad's counterattack block. Other than that Mehmed is far more useful against most of the opponents. And You can easily check that if not waste time on trying to convince me. Just as I proposed: go to conquest map and fight mixed legions. In 8 cases out of 10 his performance is nothing special if compared to Mehmed. He will only be better against units valnurable to Charge cav attack, which means he is a generic Cav gen with good active. That's it. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 8, 2023 17:42:08 GMT
First of all, you are not right that only Richard + Calmness is enough to win, the enemy hits hard through the counter attack, especially if they have Def Inf or Range units, your generals would quickly lose health. As a lone wolf, Mehmed is better, but again it depends more on the type of units, but even in that case he is nothing spectacular, that does not make him the best, nor does it make Vlad III average. This game was not even designed to be played that way, the Generals should work as a team and get the most out of each other, and Vlad III fits perfectly into that concept. What concept You are talking about? Beating treasure missions? There many ways of team play. Vlad is awesome for treasure. Never said anything against that. But in other modes he is worse than properly setup archer gen (and consequently than Mehmed) as almost any cav gen is worse than archer gen. Richard is probably the ultimate power still due to mass attack block which 8s obviously better than Vlad's counterattack block. Other than that Mehmed is far more useful against most of the opponents. And You can easily check that if not waste time on trying to convince me. Just as I proposed: go to conquest map and fight mixed legions. In 8 cases out of 10 his performance is nothing special if compared to Mehmed. He will only be better against units valnurable to Charge cav attack, which means he is a generic Cav gen with good active. That's it. Okay, I understand your problem, as a kid you were scared by the movie Dracula or some other vampire movie. I already wrote to you in which situations Vlad III is excellent and useful, but you can repeat to yourself that he is bad and evil, maybe that will heal your traumas  Spend 100 dollars to have a General who did the same job as Timur and Subutai, maybe you will finish Conquest faster. |
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Post by stoic on May 8, 2023 17:58:32 GMT
I don't think that personal assaults will help us to clarify things. There is no need for psychoanalysis of childhood traumas. Sometimes people don't accept your arguments. That's it... It is not a tragedy, actually. It never hurts to be polite in discussions, even if opponents don't share your point of view. It is just a game, after all. Our survival does not depend on it |
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Post by andrei on May 8, 2023 18:01:53 GMT
What concept You are talking about? Beating treasure missions? There many ways of team play. Vlad is awesome for treasure. Never said anything against that. But in other modes he is worse than properly setup archer gen (and consequently than Mehmed) as almost any cav gen is worse than archer gen. Richard is probably the ultimate power still due to mass attack block which 8s obviously better than Vlad's counterattack block. Other than that Mehmed is far more useful against most of the opponents. And You can easily check that if not waste time on trying to convince me. Just as I proposed: go to conquest map and fight mixed legions. In 8 cases out of 10 his performance is nothing special if compared to Mehmed. He will only be better against units valnurable to Charge cav attack, which means he is a generic Cav gen with good active. That's it. Okay, I understand your problem, as a kid you were scared by the movie Dracula or some other vampire movie. I already wrote to you in which situations Vlad III is excellent and useful, but you can repeat to yourself that he is bad and evil, maybe that will heal your traumas Spend 100 dollars to have a General who did the same job as Timur and Subutai, maybe you will finish Conquest faster. Oh, wait. Problem is in dollars. Lol. Does it mean that You've just spend so much time convincing me that Mehmed is meh without even having a possibility to use him? Seriously? You mean You judged only on a try his weak conquest version? Never thought mature person could drag me into such a stupid comparison without even having a possibility to check the statement. Who is the kid after that? |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 8, 2023 18:52:48 GMT
I don't think that personal assaults will help us to clarify things. There is no need for psychoanalysis of childhood traumas. Sometimes people don't accept your arguments. That's it... It is not a tragedy, actually. It never hurts to be polite in discussions, even if opponents don't share your point of view. It is just a game, after all. Our survival does not depend on it It was a joke, and a pretty obvious one at that, didn't you see the smiley face? |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 8, 2023 18:55:24 GMT
Okay, I understand your problem, as a kid you were scared by the movie Dracula or some other vampire movie. I already wrote to you in which situations Vlad III is excellent and useful, but you can repeat to yourself that he is bad and evil, maybe that will heal your traumas Spend 100 dollars to have a General who did the same job as Timur and Subutai, maybe you will finish Conquest faster. Oh, wait. Problem is in dollars. Lol. Does it mean that You've just spend so much time convincing me that Mehmed is meh without even having a possibility to use him? Seriously? You mean You judged only on a try his weak conquest version? Never thought mature person could drag me into such a stupid comparison without even having a possibility to check the statement. Who is the kid after that? In this discussion, you are a child, and a spoiled one, you ignore my arguments, take words out of context and manipulate what is written, the end of the story. You remind me of a character from this forum who claimed that Su Dingfang is the best, do you remember him? |
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Post by andrei on May 8, 2023 19:24:25 GMT
Oh, wait. Problem is in dollars. Lol. Does it mean that You've just spend so much time convincing me that Mehmed is meh without even having a possibility to use him? Seriously? You mean You judged only on a try his weak conquest version? Never thought mature person could drag me into such a stupid comparison without even having a possibility to check the statement. Who is the kid after that? In this discussion, you are a child, and a spoiled one, you ignore my arguments, take words out of context and manipulate what is written, the end of the story. You remind me of a character from this forum who claimed that Su Dingfang is the best, do you remember him? I was only one in this discussion who stands on the comparison gen vs gen. I haven't seen a single argument from You. All Your arguments were around: I beat treasure with Vlad and Richard and enemy can't even move. The only argument that was close to the discussion is that Counterattack in treasure can be dangerous. That was the only one. If you can link me to at least 1, at least 1 argument comparing gen vs gen I am ready to continue. Vivid result of lack of arguments is that You started personal assault. So is there at least 1 argument of gens' comparison that I missed/ignored. Please repeat if it is not too difficult. I'll reply specifically for this particular argument. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on May 8, 2023 20:22:06 GMT
In this discussion, you are a child, and a spoiled one, you ignore my arguments, take words out of context and manipulate what is written, the end of the story. You remind me of a character from this forum who claimed that Su Dingfang is the best, do you remember him? I was only one in this discussion who stands on the comparison gen vs gen. I haven't seen a single argument from You. All Your arguments were around: I beat treasure with Vlad and Richard and enemy can't even move. The only argument that was close to the discussion is that Counterattack in treasure can be dangerous. That was the only one. If you can link me to at least 1, at least 1 argument comparing gen vs gen I am ready to continue. Vivid result of lack of arguments is that You started personal assault. So is there at least 1 argument of gens' comparison that I missed/ignored. Please repeat if it is not too difficult. I'll reply specifically for this particular argument. How is there not one argument from me? Well, I already told you that all in all, Mehmed is better than Vlad III, you ignore what I write so much that you also ignored what is in your favor The point of my comments is that Vlad III is not an average general as you present him, and that Mehmed is not the best general in the game, please concentrate. As for the arguments in favor of Vlad III, I already explained why he is good in Campaign and Conquest, and not only in Treasure, but of course you ignored it. And as for the insults, I didn't insult you, that was a joke, unless of course it's true, in which case I apologize. |
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Post by jonblend on May 9, 2023 21:59:02 GMT
So, is Vlad a good choice for f2p treasure missions? There is Sunicas to provide the first version of Richard's skill and with up to 4 calmness supporters, there's still a need for a damage dealers.
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Post by yuanzhong on May 10, 2023 1:43:17 GMT
So, is Vlad a good choice for f2p treasure missions? There is Sunicas to provide the first version of Richard's skill and with up to 4 calmness supporters, there's still a need for a damage dealers. For f2p Vlad is must have for last hard treasure, he's the only solution for surviving while the counter attack of AI is so deadly. As p2w, I prefer St.Olga and her calmness team for treasure. |
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Post by pevertpanda on May 10, 2023 4:17:50 GMT
After having played Mehmed on my friend's phone, I have to admit that I have let my feeling blind me. Mehmed is really good.
_ Conqueror skill (good)
buffs allies and himself when the enemy is killed.
But it is random and only lasts for one turn.
_ Ranged tacnician (good)
When max, it increases 20% damage for archer.
_ Rapid March (Excellent)
Allows him to go fast
_ Internal affairs (bad)
Decreases the cost of moving Capital, and resolutions.
* Justinian and Charles VII are better.
_ Conquest all directions (Perfect)
Spreads the damage to the surrounding enemies, and doubles the damage when in high morale.
Perfect for challenge conquest.
And his daily raid gives you 2 yellow gems
5* for him
I'm going to save up to buy him some day.
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Post by yuanzhong on May 10, 2023 7:23:49 GMT
After having played Mehmed on my friend's phone, I have to admit that I have let my feeling blind me. Mehmed is really good. _ Conqueror skill (good) buffs allies and himself when the enemy is killed. But it is random and only lasts for one turn. _ Ranged tacnician (good) When max, it increases 20% damage for archer. _ Rapid March (Excellent) Allows him to go fast _ Internal affairs (bad) Decreases the cost of moving Capital, and resolutions. * Justinian and Charles VII are better. _ Conquest all directions (Perfect) Spreads the damage to the surrounding enemies, and doubles the damage when in high morale. Perfect for challenge conquest. And his daily raid gives you 2 yellow gems 5* for him I'm going to save up to buy him some day. His active is the debuff for enemies (or can be consider as a great buff for you gens who attack marked unit), the buffs after killing is just a add-in bonus. +30% DMG is such a huge buff and can repeat it many time in single turn if you play well. This active alone is possible to make Mehmed a good - great general. |
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Post by kingbutawl on May 10, 2023 18:38:32 GMT
Welp guys, f2p can complete treasure missions for example using Camels or 1 double handed golden swordsmen in infantry legions (35% more attack with high morale and 50% more chance of double damage if talent 5 [or something like that, I don’t remember]). Hussite wagon provides exceptional anti counter effects and Zizka can share that bonus to the units around (and those units can have hussites as well ). Then we have the new Sophia which requires to be THICK to support us better (this means the newest janissaries, arguably cheaper than hengdaos for we poor F2P; even garrison spearmen talent 5 have 300 and more defence points!). In conclusion we have plenty of resources to make through these new challenges and developers gave us many alternatives (you can use Subicas as jonblend said, etc…). Personally I grow tired after 2 levels |
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Post by yuanzhong on May 11, 2023 4:47:59 GMT
i have used this gen in campaign and i say my 1 star score was wrong. 3 star i rank. i still add the availability. the skill conqueror is good but only in 1 turn if you kill the mark. random buffs. it feels like the unit knights of garter but a general. His active lasts 2 turn if you have his weapon. |
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Spend 100 dollars to have a General who did the same job as Timur and Subutai, maybe you will finish Conquest faster.
