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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 26, 2023 12:20:11 GMT
Completed it with S rank as Takeda. Almost without diplomacy just killing all neighbors.   I think blueberry is correct. To win a domination we have to defeat all other contenders for supremacy, including Shogunate. Were you able to keep Miyoshi as ally? I thought they needed to be taken out because they have the "ambitious" trait.  Painful. For some reason, the Rokkaku and Azai chose to overthrow the suzerainty of the Ashikaga clan. At the end, I had: Allies: Hatakeyama, Anegakoji, Imagawa, Iga, Ashikaga, Isshiki, Miyoshi, Shima Navy, and Tsutsui. Subordinates: Asakura, Wakasa Takeda, Matsudaira, anf Kitabatake. I think "Feisty" enemies are the problem.
Note: To induce an enemy state to become a subordinate, you MUST share a border at least. Seas are not included as a border. Once I booted the Miyoshi off the mainland and stopped fighting them, I could let relations rise because there was no border penalty. You can achieve Hegemony without a conditional win. Not sure if I got all the rewards. Relations can change once there is a 1-province gap between your domains and that of a third party's. Feisty will lead to a relationship drop. Apparently, clans who show heroism in the face of overwhelming odds and the like feel like their maximum surrender chances at capped at 70%. Seemed this way for the Nagano clan and the Kawachi Hatakeyama clan. If your credit rises above 70, you get bonus diplomacy points for being good on credit.
Based on the Rokkaku clan, to "dominate" a province, have a subordinate hold it or control it yourself. Proof: Iga is a subordinate to the Rokkaku and dominating Iga is a requirement. Iga is green from the start. |
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Post by blueberry on Nov 26, 2023 14:28:06 GMT
Were you able to keep Miyoshi as ally? I thought they needed to be taken out because they have the "ambitious" trait. Painful. For some reason, the Rokkaku and Azai chose to overthrow the suzerainty of the Ashikaga clan. At the end, I had: Allies: Hatakeyama, Anegakoji, Imagawa, Iga, Ashikaga, Isshiki, Miyoshi, Shima Navy, and Tsutsui. Subordinates: Asakura, Wakasa Takeda, Matsudaira, anf Kitabatake. I think "Feisty" enemies are the problem.
Note: To induce an enemy state to become a subordinate, you MUST share a border at least. Seas are not included as a border. Once I booted the Miyoshi off the mainland and stopped fighting them, I could let relations rise because there was no border penalty. You can achieve Hegemony without a conditional win. Not sure if I got all the rewards. Relations can change once there is a 1-province gap between your domains and that of a third party's. Feisty will lead to a relationship drop. Apparently, clans who show heroism in the face of overwhelming odds and the like feel like their maximum surrender chances at capped at 70%. Seemed this way for the Nagano clan and the Kawachi Hatakeyama clan. If your credit rises above 70, you get bonus diplomacy points for being good on credit.
Based on the Rokkaku clan, to "dominate" a province, have a subordinate hold it or control it yourself. Proof: Iga is a subordinate to the Rokkaku and dominating Iga is a requirement. Iga is green from the start. Interesting. So you can ally with Ashikaga and still win. Too bad that you didn't get S score, now you have to repeat that for the achievement. It's better to have less allies and defeat more nations, even though it takes more time (real time, I mean). How long did that conquest take you, in terms of hours? |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 26, 2023 15:47:32 GMT
Painful. For some reason, the Rokkaku and Azai chose to overthrow the suzerainty of the Ashikaga clan. At the end, I had: Allies: Hatakeyama, Anegakoji, Imagawa, Iga, Ashikaga, Isshiki, Miyoshi, Shima Navy, and Tsutsui. Subordinates: Asakura, Wakasa Takeda, Matsudaira, anf Kitabatake. I think "Feisty" enemies are the problem.
Note: To induce an enemy state to become a subordinate, you MUST share a border at least. Seas are not included as a border. Once I booted the Miyoshi off the mainland and stopped fighting them, I could let relations rise because there was no border penalty. You can achieve Hegemony without a conditional win. Not sure if I got all the rewards. Relations can change once there is a 1-province gap between your domains and that of a third party's. Feisty will lead to a relationship drop. Apparently, clans who show heroism in the face of overwhelming odds and the like feel like their maximum surrender chances at capped at 70%. Seemed this way for the Nagano clan and the Kawachi Hatakeyama clan. If your credit rises above 70, you get bonus diplomacy points for being good on credit.
Based on the Rokkaku clan, to "dominate" a province, have a subordinate hold it or control it yourself. Proof: Iga is a subordinate to the Rokkaku and dominating Iga is a requirement. Iga is green from the start. Interesting. So you can ally with Ashikaga and still win. Too bad that you didn't get S score, now you have to repeat that for the achievement. It's better to have less allies and defeat more nations, even though it takes more time (real time, I mean). How long did that conquest take you, in terms of hours? Half to a day, I think. Considering the few number of gens used, could have been sped up if I were to accept EW7 Challenge conditions: placing gens on any full stack ASAP. I also didn't expect the Azai delay, when they overthrew the Ashikaga suzerainty. I was just waiting to save enough to pay Miyoshi off. |
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Post by CharlesMartel on Nov 26, 2023 17:18:05 GMT
So from everything I've seen, I just don't think I'm going to have the time, or let's admit it - the patience, to complete S rank complete conquests, so I don't think I'm even going to try right now. But how grueling are the standard victories to get Broken Blades? Those look at least achievable.
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Post by captainstupid on Nov 26, 2023 18:02:35 GMT
So from everything I've seen, I just don't think I'm going to have the time, or let's admit it - the patience, to complete S rank complete conquests, so I don't think I'm even going to try right now. But how grueling are the standard victories to get Broken Blades? Those look at least achievable. Hmm, honestly it's can be quite hard. Easiest one is definitely anegakoji. Just activate kami of hilda which you already own and defend for 20 turns and bam you win. |
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Post by player1 on Nov 26, 2023 22:47:03 GMT
My tips:
Otomo Sorin with DoP is OP and one-shot enemy generals also dealing damage to all enemies around them.
Use (ASAP) diplomacy bonuses (Hime + Karo). You can have 200 diplomacy in a few turns. Make fast allies and never pay tribute.
Use mobility bonuses (prestige + hourse + skill). You can move from one town to another in one turn. And should capture a town at every turn.
Use 2 healing items (+50 heal is OP).
Use a spiral path (border → center).
Outflank in attack.
Spam cheap units in defense.
Snowball army (start with 3-4 units).
Buy artillery (plan for 2-3 units).
Never disband units.
1st turn: finish all tasks, incl., gift and upgrade towns, focusing on knowledge.
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Post by blueberry on Nov 27, 2023 1:01:22 GMT
Were you able to keep Miyoshi as ally? I thought they needed to be taken out because they have the "ambitious" trait. I think "Feisty" enemies are the problem. No, it can't be that. I allied with K. Hatakeyama and they are feisty. Maybe it's not a matter of trait, but of prestige or some power balance between you and your allies. But I'm just guessing |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2023 4:08:30 GMT
Oichi is really great for being appointed to hime position. The best Princess I have so far. And obtainable early in the game too. I should have invested all gifts for getting her fragments, not only her favorite items.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 27, 2023 4:39:51 GMT
 Tried to blackmail me twice, but I turned them down. This happens when you declare war / when diplomatic relations hits -100 points or lower (what I experienced). All relations take a one-off -40 to -60 points penalty. There's a fixed value but I can't recall the exact numbers to compare. You can stall some with gifts to push then above -100 points in relations (much like declaring war on the Papal States in EW7). |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2023 7:20:32 GMT
Do we get any rewards for completing conquest tutorial, btw?
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Post by nikomachos on Nov 27, 2023 7:31:12 GMT
And those who seem focused on Conquest right now, how quickly did you reach akazone heavy cav in free battlepass? Or is it still kinda far away?
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 27, 2023 9:31:14 GMT
Do we get any rewards for completing conquest tutorial, btw? Definitely not for a basic clear. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2023 9:33:42 GMT
And those who seem focused on Conquest right now, how quickly did you reach akazone heavy cav in free battlepass? Or is it still kinda far away? Yeah I want that too  ... A bit tricky to get though. Probably we have to clear the whole map of the first conquest age or something close to it... |
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Post by balthazar on Nov 27, 2023 9:34:47 GMT
I am not playing conquest at all right now. Either it will be easier with an update or our generals will be stronger in time so in future these runs should be much quicker. As it is rewards are not that helpful considering half a day work for a single run even if you get S each time.
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Post by stoic on Nov 27, 2023 9:47:44 GMT
I am not playing conquest at all right now. Either it will be easier with an update or our generals will be stronger in time so in future these runs should be much quicker. As it is rewards are not that helpful considering half a day work for a single run even if you get S each time. I agree... Rewards for beating conquests with S rank are unacceptable taking into account our time investments. |
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... A bit tricky to get though. Probably we have to clear the whole map of the first conquest age or something close to it...
