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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 30, 2023 13:40:51 GMT
Do all your allies / subordinates starve? I don't see much point paying someone not bordering my enemy to fight when they're already crippled.
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Post by Dannes on Nov 30, 2023 13:59:20 GMT
Am I the only one who feels like the conquest mode is very sluggish at the start?
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Post by stoic on Nov 30, 2023 14:07:06 GMT
Am I the only one who feels like the conquest mode is very sluggish at the start? In fact you'll get used to that. It is just an effect of novelty. With each conquest I understand better what to do and what not to do. I think in several weeks time it will be a piece of cake to complete and we will demand challenge conquests
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Post by Dannes on Nov 30, 2023 14:59:37 GMT
Am I the only one who feels like the conquest mode is very sluggish at the start? In fact you'll get used to that. It is just an effect of novelty. With each conquest I understand better what to do and what not to do. I think in several weeks time it will be a piece of cake to complete and we will demand challenge conquests Yeah that's understandable. I remember being pissed I can't clear barbarians in ew7 fast
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Post by Onadroig on Nov 30, 2023 17:05:15 GMT
Do all your allies / subordinates starve? I don't see much point paying someone not bordering my enemy to fight when they're already crippled. Sometimes yes sometimes no. In a conquest with Tsutsui I allied myself with the Shima pirates, as the turns passed their units died and they stopped spawning, it stayed like that for 10 turns until I decided to send gifts of coins and food and it started working again. The same thing happens with food, if you have extra, give it as a gift and that's it, but otherwise it's better to just conquer or subjugate them.
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Post by mrlamo on Dec 1, 2023 0:13:10 GMT
It takes forever to complete a conquest. I just finished my first conquest as Nagao in 66 turns and it felt like 200 turns of a wc3 conquest... I still need to figure out how to speed things up, besides always choosing mobility buffs in the prestige section and appointing a counsellor that increases mobility. I allied just with 2 nations and I always went for the full conquest of the enemy nations' territory, rather than making them my vassals (I thought that it was better to increase my income). A question for those that have more experience with conquests: Does having a vassal count just like defeating that nation when it comes to the final score? In EW7 defeating nations contributes a lot to that score, and it seems it's the case here as well. so its EW7 fantasy shoot conquest map. it also takes forever to finish it. also it makes cp hot and lag. im f2p and in verge of quitting the game. didn't play for a week now. finish chapter 1 and doing little of a tenkabito. (3 daily quest). having a vassal nation seems fun. but i guess they didn't give coins. similar to ally. i want a nation begging me to stop the conquest or surrendering. im still doing ew7 hoping something happened like in wc4. also wait for challenge conquest, good luck guys. nagao and uesegui are the always the one who take ages to conquer lol
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Post by stoic on Dec 1, 2023 9:14:56 GMT
so its EW7 fantasy shoot conquest map. it also takes forever to finish it. also it makes cp hot and lag. im f2p and in verge of quitting the game. didn't play for a week now. finish chapter 1 and doing little of a tenkabito. (3 daily quest). having a vassal nation seems fun. but i guess they didn't give coins. similar to ally. i want a nation begging me to stop the conquest or surrendering. im still doing ew7 hoping something happened like in wc4. also wait for challenge conquest, good luck guys. nagao and uesegui are the always the one who take ages to conquer lol Actually, I always try to be on friendly terms with Nagano when playing for clans on the other side of the map. The chances are high that they will finish off Takeda without any intervention on my part.
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Post by SolidLight on Dec 1, 2023 10:27:09 GMT
Could have been a sub-50 run if I didn’t get absurdly bad luck with Nagao on diplomacy. That part is still something I need to improve on. Also, I’d wager Takeda is doable in 35 or so turns in the future. I didn’t play well on the diplomacy part there and got 44.
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Post by stoic on Dec 1, 2023 10:56:30 GMT
Could have been a sub-50 run if I didn’t get absurdly bad luck with Nagao on diplomacy. That part is still something I need to improve on. Also, I’d wager Takeda is doable in 35 or so turns in the future. I didn’t play well on the diplomacy part there and got 44. Have you already bought all horses in the Treasury?
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Post by stoic on Dec 1, 2023 11:01:37 GMT
In fact, it is possible you start a speed run competition one day! In EW7 it wasn't possible because p2w players have an absurd advantage in conquests. Now we have more or less equal starting conditions between f2p and p2w players. Days of EW6 and EW6 1914 are back
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Post by SolidLight on Dec 1, 2023 11:05:43 GMT
Could have been a sub-50 run if I didn’t get absurdly bad luck with Nagao on diplomacy. That part is still something I need to improve on. Also, I’d wager Takeda is doable in 35 or so turns in the future. I didn’t play well on the diplomacy part there and got 44. Have you already bought all horses in the Treasury? I got 7 gold horses, so a fair amount.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Dec 1, 2023 12:09:49 GMT
Moment the Shogun's clan will declare war on you / war is declared. As mentioned earlier, conquering the Ashikaga leads to -10 relations with everyone per turn because you are treasonous or treacherous towards the Shogunate. Before and after winning as my first 2*, with an S-rank clear: Rokkaku. I calculated that the sum of 10k from Battle Pass, first 2* clear, and a Rokkaku S-rank clear is 30k. This meant that my Hegemony-only clear was worth 10k copper. The Ban-kin achievements seemed to cover for 65 of 90 Ban-kin earned, so that meant that Hegemony was woth 25 Ban-kin. This assumes that I was only rewarded for a Hegemony because I didn't fulfil the Basic Clear criteria. This feels bad, but if it is the sum of both, for the players' sake, the rewards look far worse.
Also, you cannot capture empty friendly cities even as a subordinate. The friendly power and your suzerain will declare war on you. Also, I still dislike the varying costs. I know that the guardians of the clan's effects take place during and after one AI turn. I found the fee to build a lvl 1 college to be 90 copper from the "original" 100 copper, after skipping a turn. Next turn, I paid 100 copper again. Moreover, when the Nagao clan was falling, the cost of paying for 80% chance of anything went up the more I conquered (even if most were conquests of Nagao lands). Blackmail and negotiation exists for those on the backfoot to make some gains, but even this doesn't make much sense.
Also, I'm not sure if it's because my game lagged, but I encountered the same glitch as stoic did. Subordinates: Wakasa Takeda, Iga Ninja, and Nagano. Allies: Isshiki, Miyoshi, Kitabatake, Hatakeyama, Nagao, Matsudaira, and Anekagoji. I gave food to boost relations with Miyoshi, which seemed to have fallen below the Alliance marker (+150 relations). Perhaps it reached the +100 marker? Anyways, my game froze, I exited without cutting it from my Background App activity and entered again. No change. Repeated it and I was in the main Conquest page. I had won without a victory screen. Rewards and Battle Pass points were given.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Dec 1, 2023 13:29:29 GMT
Playing as the Matsudaira but the only option, even after waiting a turn, to break my subordination is to revolt and lose 30 credits (extremely poor credit score). Apparently, the Matsudaira reaction to the Battle of Okehazama only activates when playing as a third party.
Does that mean Imagawa Yoshimoto will not perish when playing as the Oda?
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Post by SolidLight on Dec 1, 2023 13:33:59 GMT
Playing as the Matsudaira but the only option, even after waiting a turn, to break my subordination is to revolt and lose 30 credits (extremely poor credit score). Apparently, the Matsudaira reaction to the Battle of Okehazama only activates when playing as a third party. Does that mean Imagawa Yoshimoto will not perish when playing as the Oda? I think credit recovers on its own eventually anyway. I broke a passage agreement in the Hatakeyama run and tanked a -10 credit hit, but it got back to 70 a few turns later without doing anything.
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Post by truhses on Dec 1, 2023 13:41:41 GMT
Playing as the Matsudaira but the only option, even after waiting a turn, to break my subordination is to revolt and lose 30 credits (extremely poor credit score). Apparently, the Matsudaira reaction to the Battle of Okehazama only activates when playing as a third party. Does that mean Imagawa Yoshimoto will not perish when playing as the Oda? When you kill Yoshimoto, the Matsudaira will become neutral with maximum good attitude, and the Imagawa troops will lose morale.
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