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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 16, 2024 1:30:16 GMT
When were you first able to beat the 1-star challenges on normal difficulty? With what generals? Someone was trying to start off with Hoth, and he was stuck in rescue ally 4 due to not enough damage. He has Hoth and Konev beside the 3 freebies. Quite certain that it was within the first week, but I already had several good generals after 4-5 days of playing. In addition to Bastico and Konev I already had Rundstedt, Mikava and Pavlov (I unlocked him on day 3). Update on this: I looked back to your post and the 1 star challenge you completed on your first week was hold the ground, the only doable one for beginners. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 16, 2024 5:13:50 GMT
There's the trend of conquering the map in defensive events with the extra firepower and I think after a few repetitions of the events, people just want to complete them as fast as possible or with minimal effort. To be honest, I haven't seen anyone else who has gone further than limiting themselves to non-IAPs. Maybe people don't look for extra hard challenges in their spare time but rather want to feel God-like power, killing everything with one attack:) It is a great feeling I admit and not completely alien to me as well  But all in all the missions for endgame players have to be both interesting and challenging. And 2* and 3* Events of WC4 don't meet the requirements. 2* defensive Events are challenging but extremely boring because you just block the routes of Invasion to prevent an endless spam. And 3* Events are interesting but not challenging at all. I would like to see something along the line of GoG Classic and Pacific. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 16, 2024 5:15:32 GMT
Quite certain that it was within the first week, but I already had several good generals after 4-5 days of playing. In addition to Bastico and Konev I already had Rundstedt, Mikava and Pavlov (I unlocked him on day 3). Update on this: I looked back to your post and the 1 star challenge you completed on your first week was hold the ground, the only doable one for beginners. Quite likely, but I think my approach is obsolete now as well, because I would pick up Bock as my first general this time. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 16, 2024 6:05:07 GMT
Update on this: I looked back to your post and the 1 star challenge you completed on your first week was hold the ground, the only doable one for beginners. Quite likely, but I think my approach is obsolete now as well, because I would pick up Bock as my first general this time. Do you think starting with Bock is viable for beginners? Bronze Bock seems too weak compared to Hoth and Bastico and silver Bock is too expensive as the first general. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 16, 2024 9:43:46 GMT
Quite likely, but I think my approach is obsolete now as well, because I would pick up Bock as my first general this time. Do you think starting with Bock is viable for beginners? Bronze Bock seems too weak compared to Hoth and Bastico and silver Bock is too expensive as the first general. I am not entirely sure whether it is possible to promote Bock to silver tier immidietly using only the resources ET provides us with for free (without using those from challenge conquests). But if it is possible the difference in medals isn't that important because Bock definitely has an endgame potential (with some time and upgrades, of course) and Hoth and Bastico require some skillful management to play with. One good thing about Bock is that it isn't necessary to upgrade his skills at once. With lvl 2/3 PL/PF/AA/Blitzkrieg he's able to deal with many challenges. And these upgrades aren't too expensive. I am not sure it is the best way to start the game but it adds some new flavor to the game and it is always exciting to create a god-like general out of nothing, starting from the scratch. I don't know about other players but such things do motivate me  |
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Post by journeykeen on Oct 16, 2024 12:19:17 GMT
The thing with difficulty in WC4 now is that you have to purposefully seek it out.
Once you have a level 6 or so Pershing with level 4-5 ribbons, basically nothing in this game is difficult even f2p (aside from a few challenge conquests).
Something about the elite units was a mistake. Even the first big event, Barbarossa, was at first a really good challenge because we had meh healing and meh elite units. Thats good. They either needed to cap them around their level 5 power, or need to release significantly more challenging content, which they failed to do. El Alamein was hard for the first week, then we became to powerful. Alaska was never that hard, and the Japanese/Pacific event was great, but we now also easily overpower it.
We either need a nerf (I think so), or the content drops need to literally double in difficulty. The recent mission was a joke.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 16, 2024 21:44:51 GMT
Do you think starting with Bock is viable for beginners? Bronze Bock seems too weak compared to Hoth and Bastico and silver Bock is too expensive as the first general. I am not entirely sure whether it is possible to promote Bock to silver tier immidietly using only the resources ET provides us with for free (without using those from challenge conquests). But if it is possible the difference in medals isn't that important because Bock definitely has an endgame potential (with some time and upgrades, of course) and Hoth and Bastico require some skillful management to play with. One good thing about Bock is that it isn't necessary to upgrade his skills at once. With lvl 2/3 PL/PF/AA/Blitzkrieg he's able to deal with many challenges. And these upgrades aren't too expensive. I am not sure it is the best way to start the game but it adds some new flavor to the game and it is always exciting to create a god-like general out of nothing, starting from the scratch. I don't know about other players but such things do motivate me Depends on how you define "immediately." Players have a one-week window to collect the swords and scepters every 4 weeks. Upgrading Bock to silver requires them to promote Bock to purple rank first, which needs campaign progress. That means for the first 3 weeks, the beginners have to settle with bronze Bock. Difference in medals isn't that important in late game, but it is important in early game. Without any upgrades in stars, rank, and skills, silver Bock is already at the same price of Hoth with lvl 2 AA. Silver Bock with all his skills at lvl 2 costs around the same as Guderian. In that case, they might as well just go straight to Guderian. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Nov 16, 2024 22:58:23 GMT
stoic How doable are the elite one star challenges with your first week budget lineup?
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Post by stoic on Nov 17, 2024 5:16:31 GMT
stoic How doable are the elite one star challenges with your first week budget lineup? They introduced them long after I restarted the game, so it's difficult to say. On normal difficulty they should be doable though. On hard it depends on the particular challenge. Some of them are surprisingly easy, others are not. |
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But all in all the missions for endgame players have to be both interesting and challenging. And 2* and 3* Events of WC4 don't meet the requirements. 2* defensive Events are challenging but extremely boring because you just block the routes of Invasion to prevent an endless spam. And 3* Events are interesting but not challenging at all. I would like to see something along the line of GoG Classic and Pacific.
