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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 22:42:46 GMT
There are hundreds of variations for it, I've played like 10-20 I know. I've seen a lot of them. Me too  |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 13, 2016 16:51:32 GMT
I haven't played this type of this game, but there are plenty of variations of it that I've played... So you never played the standard version before? (If we are going with 7 players - I prefer the Milan variant to balance those two Italy and Austria-Hungary better).
Okay so far best75 signed up last night.... PreDip01The Light Bringer (assumed to be experienced?) Quintus Fabius experienced best75 (assumed to be new?) Napoleon Bonaparte and Frederick the Great? Here's your shot to give this a short try. I think you would want to try. Anyone else? I'm flexible, and I can work with any number of players. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 13, 2016 16:54:07 GMT
I haven't played this type of this game, but there are plenty of variations of it that I've played... So you never played the standard version before? (If we are going with 7 players - I prefer the Milan variant to balance those two Italy and Austria-Hungary better).
Okay so far best75 signed up last night.... PreDip01The Light Bringer (assumed to be experienced?) Quintus Fabius experienced best75 (assumed to be new?) Napoleon Bonaparte and Frederick the Great ? Here's your shot to give this a short try. I think you would want to try. Anyone else? I'm flexible, and I can work with any number of players. I think that we should start with standard variant so they know the rules, then slowly teach them about 1900, modern day, Milan, eic. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 13, 2016 17:00:26 GMT
There's no difference in rules between standard and Milan. The only difference is three provinces changes in Northern Italy.
Standard is slightly unbalanced. Milan is much more balanced (especially for the poor two powers at the bottom).
Also... I wanted to mention that I have an uniquely designed and balanced idea for 2,3,4 players.
Each of the 4 positions has 2 regular SCs (Supply Centers btw, guys) plus one additional center that doesn't come in play unless there's 3 players at the table.
--If 2, either take the opposite powers and leave the other two empty or spilt 2 to 2 between the players. Whatever is preferred.
--If 4, all take one. Simple.
--If 3, the one sandwiched between two (being opposite of the empty space) gains one additional home center that are normally not on the map.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 13, 2016 17:02:51 GMT
There's no difference in rules between standard and Milan. The only difference is three provinces changes in Northern Italy. Standard is slightly unbalanced. Milan is much more balanced (especially for the poor two powers at the bottom). But IMO they should know about standard first. In fact, I would have gone for 1900 Dip first, if I didn't believe that standard is the most universal. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 13, 2016 17:13:57 GMT
There's no difference in rules between standard and Milan. The only difference is three provinces changes in Northern Italy. Standard is slightly unbalanced. Milan is much more balanced (especially for the poor two powers at the bottom). But IMO they should know about standard first. In fact, I would have gone for 1900 Dip first, if I didn't believe that standard is the most universal. Well it's why I would pick Milan over 1900 as well. It's just exactly the same thing as the standard in 99% of everything. And most players wouldn't notice if it wasn't mentioned that they're not playing in standard, tbh. Plus the additional advantage of choosing the standard (or Milan) over other variants is that I have played the board game over and over so much, I don't even need to look at a map to resolve orders. I can do it all in my head. It means a lot less work as a GM for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:14:12 GMT
I haven't played this type of this game, but there are plenty of variations of it that I've played... So you never played the standard version before? (If we are going with 7 players - I prefer the Milan variant to balance those two Italy and Austria-Hungary better).
Okay so far best75 signed up last night.... PreDip01The Light Bringer (assumed to be experienced?) Quintus Fabius experienced best75 (assumed to be new?) Napoleon Bonaparte and Frederick the Great? Here's your shot to give this a short try. I think you would want to try. Anyone else? I'm flexible, and I can work with any number of players. As I said I've played many types such as Risk, but not the standard |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 13, 2016 17:17:03 GMT
So you never played the standard version before? (If we are going with 7 players - I prefer the Milan variant to balance those two Italy and Austria-Hungary better).
Okay so far best75 signed up last night.... PreDip01The Light Bringer (assumed to be experienced?) Quintus Fabius experienced best75 (assumed to be new?) Napoleon Bonaparte and Frederick the Great? Here's your shot to give this a short try. I think you would want to try. Anyone else? I'm flexible, and I can work with any number of players. As I said I've played many types such as Risk, but not the standard No problem, just wanted to made sure I understood you right. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 13, 2016 17:19:05 GMT
But IMO they should know about standard first. In fact, I would have gone for 1900 Dip first, if I didn't believe that standard is the most universal. Well it's why I would pick Milan over 1900 as well. It's just exactly the same thing as the standard in 99% of everything. And most players wouldn't notice if it wasn't mentioned that they're not playing in standard, tbh. Plus the additional advantage of choosing the standard (or Milan) over other variants is that I have played the board game over and over so much, I don't even need to look at a map to resolve orders. I can do it all in my head. It means a lot less work as a GM for me. So... we should play Milan/Standard for the first few diplos, then move on to stuff like 1900, star trek ( Jean-Luc Picard would like this XD) and 1939? |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 13, 2016 17:25:21 GMT
Well it's why I would pick Milan over 1900 as well. It's just exactly the same thing as the standard in 99% of everything. And most players wouldn't notice if it wasn't mentioned that they're not playing in standard, tbh. Plus the additional advantage of choosing the standard (or Milan) over other variants is that I have played the board game over and over so much, I don't even need to look at a map to resolve orders. I can do it all in my head. It means a lot less work as a GM for me. So... we should play Milan/Standard for the first few diplos, then move on to stuff like 1900, star trek ( Jean-Luc Picard would like this XD) and 1939? That's the general idea. It depends heavily on number of players though. I don't want to throw the game off balance because of empty seats. If we do variants, I prefer simpler ones like map-only variants with minimal rule changes if necessary. So the gameplay mechanisms from a player's perspective shouldn't really change much of at all. (Of course, the flow of the game would be different) |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Aug 13, 2016 19:28:03 GMT
I'm afraid I cannot commit myself to so many wars, exams are close and I don't get much time to get in here, I hope you'll understand.
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 13, 2016 19:36:47 GMT
I'm afraid I cannot commit myself to so many wars, exams are close and I don't get much time to get in here, I hope you'll understand. NP! |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Aug 13, 2016 21:02:56 GMT
Well it's why I would pick Milan over 1900 as well. It's just exactly the same thing as the standard in 99% of everything. And most players wouldn't notice if it wasn't mentioned that they're not playing in standard, tbh. Plus the additional advantage of choosing the standard (or Milan) over other variants is that I have played the board game over and over so much, I don't even need to look at a map to resolve orders. I can do it all in my head. It means a lot less work as a GM for me. So... we should play Milan/Standard for the first few diplos, then move on to stuff like 1900, star trek ( Jean-Luc Picard would like this XD) and 1939? I think Fleet Rome is as varianted as we should get |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 13, 2016 21:09:32 GMT
So... we should play Milan/Standard for the first few diplos, then move on to stuff like 1900, star trek ( Jean-Luc Picard would like this XD) and 1939? I think Fleet Rome is as varianted as we should get That's for the first couple of games, then we can try Egypt, 1900 or Modern day. Fleet rome is too weak to Italy IMO, as then the Italians would be too weak to face france, whilst Lepanto or even into Tri is gone because of the fleet. Milan is better for balance, or you can try the Croatia/Split version where Tri is cut into 2. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Aug 13, 2016 21:17:38 GMT
So... we should play Milan/Standard for the first few diplos, then move on to stuff like 1900, star trek ( Jean-Luc Picard would like this XD) and 1939? I think Fleet Rome is as varianted as we should get Like what Quintus Fabius said, it doesn't help Italy. Only... it limits the options for him. It might help Austria, by making Italy predictibly defensive. It doesn't truly solve the Venice-Trieste problem. Transfering the Venice SC to Milan gives both countries an equal chance like the 5 others. That's about varianted maximum and yet vanilla as an initial Diplomacy game should be. |
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