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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 10, 2016 20:45:10 GMT
You have to remember though that paradox isn't a huge studio. All that content in HoI4 and EU4 plus years year of support just for $40 is a really good price. The DLCs cost more because the people at paradox need an income source corrected for you.  A normal DLC would add plenty of content, plus maybe a nice plus feature for gameplay aspect. Paradox's DLC looks like what... one vital aspect of the game taken away and upgraded to something better in the DLC, but... doesn't leave the basic needed function in the base game. Okay, imagine Left 4 Dead. What if in a particular hallway, a feature was needed? What if the designers acknowledged the need, gives a DLC that address the need. You have to PAY 15 dollars for just ONE little important thing (disguised along with many pointless garbage mini features)? Good luck with the base game cuz.... The game AI has been updated to be able to use the important new side tunnel in the hallway, but the opening is only there if you brought the DLC. Meaning.... if you have the basic L4D, the AI will be stupid enough to bump his head in the middle of the wall because he's programmed to use the new feature. That's what EU4 looks like now... moronic AI that used to be a brutal monster, scripted nearly perfectly to annihilate the human player, crippled with locked features. And you cant use that important aspect either. Imagine what the base game looks like now... EU4 has maybe 8 different DLCs that took away from the base game itself. Paradox is worse than the average modern video game company. Most games are designed to at least sorta function pretty well without DLCs, just having some contents that aren't there, but the ESSENTIAL functions are there for the AIs. This is why it's pointless to play EU4 for only 40 dollars. EU4 had years of support not a year. You don't have to buy the DLCs nobody's forcing you to do so. I played the game for months without a single DLCs and it was just as enjoyable. Paradox gives out free content every patch too. The DLCs have such a high price because paradox needs money to survive. If they are on sale you can buy them at like 1/3 the original price. L4D is a different game and the developer is bigger. Why do you rant about a game that most people like you're not forced to play it. If someone like EA or Ubisoft would make such overpriced DLC I'd understand what you mean but not paradox |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 10, 2016 20:48:44 GMT
ive secured Cario and suez as the italians but im suffering from very low manpower issues and major lack of equipment For manpower research the militarism and military youth in the nationalism focus tree and change to limited conscription as one of your policies |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Jun 10, 2016 21:26:05 GMT
ive secured Cario and suez as the italians but im suffering from very low manpower issues and major lack of equipment For manpower research the militarism and military youth in the nationalism focus tree and change to limited conscription as one of your policies There aren't penalties until total mobilization I believe so no reason not to take that. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 10, 2016 22:23:55 GMT
EU4 had years of support not a year. You don't have to buy the DLCs nobody's forcing you to do so. I played the game for months without a single DLCs and it was just as enjoyable. Paradox gives out free content every patch too. The DLCs have such a high price because paradox needs money to survive. If they are on sale you can buy them at like 1/3 the original price. L4D is a different game and the developer is bigger. Why do you rant about a game that most people like you're not forced to play it. If someone like EA or Ubisoft would make such overpriced DLC I'd understand what you mean but not paradox Years vs year...I was referring to the neglect to the base game Paradox seems to have compared to the complete version in terms of support. Civilization doesn't do that to its playerbase. And to respond to your statement... Why not paradox then if not EA and Ubisoft? Indeed... Nobody is forcing you to play EA games either. That argument can be a two-edged sword for you. So eh... I would just leave that part of your discussion aside. Really, the whole rant right here is a protest to the idiotic DLCs "that offers so much to the game" and "doesn't" takes away pre-existing features that was originally there in the different forms inside the base game. I'm not against the good kind of DLCs that doesn't push the nonDLC players out of the picture (Arkham Asylum DLCs are a decent example of adding contents at a price but giving free updates for gameplay balance itself). Sadly it's becoming the standard for companies to screw the players over like this so some companies that would've treated their playerbase well now abuses it for DLC profits. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 11, 2016 5:17:31 GMT
Jean Lannes, I would say one thing about Paradox... when they do make a game... Man! I'm drooling all over it. I did played EU4 on someone's laptop for a couple of weeks last summer. I loved the insane depth of detail and strategies involved. I felt real disappointed when I saw the prices and did the research on how Paradox treats its playerbase before spending any money on a game of theirs. I'm considering purchasing EU3: Chronicles. It would at least be a truly complete game with all essential DLCs for the gameplay at a fairly reasonable price that I could access. I think $25 dollars on Amazon.com. I would have to check again. I wouldn't mind paying 40 to 60 dollars for a complete edition of EU4 in that respect btw. That's more on-par pricing without all of the silly extras to me. *shurgs* But that's me... :/ You might disagree with me on this one, which I can see why though. Edit: I meant to said a couple of months, not weeks. Sorry.
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 11, 2016 5:21:15 GMT
HoI4... I liked the look of it, but I shall pass. My wallet is strained with expenses that needs to be looked after first. Car, credit card, water & electric bills, and renovate my father-in-law's house (pretty small budget but great improvement in quality to be expected) next month. Wish me luck tho... it's going to be a long month.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 11, 2016 5:43:48 GMT
EU4 had years of support not a year. You don't have to buy the DLCs nobody's forcing you to do so. I played the game for months without a single DLCs and it was just as enjoyable. Paradox gives out free content every patch too. The DLCs have such a high price because paradox needs money to survive. If they are on sale you can buy them at like 1/3 the original price. L4D is a different game and the developer is bigger. Why do you rant about a game that most people like you're not forced to play it. If someone like EA or Ubisoft would make such overpriced DLC I'd understand what you mean but not paradox Years vs year...I was referring to the neglect to the base game Paradox seems to have compared to the complete version in terms of support. Civilization doesn't do that to its playerbase. And to respond to your statement... Why not paradox then if not EA and Ubisoft? Indeed... Nobody is forcing you to play EA games either. That argument can be a two-edged sword for you. So eh... I would just leave that part of your discussion aside. Really, the whole rant right here is a protest to the idiotic DLCs "that offers so much to the game" and "doesn't" takes away pre-existing features that was originally there in the different forms inside the base game. I'm not against the good kind of DLCs that doesn't push the nonDLC players out of the picture (Arkham Asylum DLCs are a decent example of adding contents at a price but giving free updates for gameplay balance itself). Sadly it's becoming the standard for companies to screw the players over like this so some companies that would've treated their playerbase well now abuses it for DLC profits. Your whole point would be a solid argument except one thing. EU4 is a single player game mostly. It's not competitive. A competitive game such as CoD or BF a DLC would be game breaking if it would give one person far better guns but in a single player game that isn't the case and even in multiplayer it's enough if the host has the DLC |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 11, 2016 5:46:20 GMT
Jean Lannes, I would say one thing about Paradox... when they do make a game... Man! I'm drooling all over it. I did played EU4 on someone's laptop for a couple of weeks last summer. I loved the insane depth of detail and strategies involved. I felt real disappointed when I saw the prices and did the research on how Paradox treats its playerbase before spending any money on a game of theirs. I'm considering purchasing EU3: Chronicles. It would at least be a truly complete game with all essential DLCs for the gameplay at a fairly reasonable price that I could access. I think $25 dollars on Amazon.com. I would have to check again. I wouldn't mind paying 40 to 60 dollars for a complete edition of EU4 in that respect btw. That's more on-par pricing without all of the silly extras to me. *shurgs* But that's me... :/ You might disagree with me on this one, which I can see why though. Wait so you don't even have the game? EU4 isn't a game where you have to buy all DLCs, the AI gets them for balance since at some point you can easily outsmart your enemies. The DLCs are a choice in a singleplayer game unlike a multiplayer game where sometimes they are a must. I also don't understand what you mean with mistreatment of player base |
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Post by Desophaeus on Jun 11, 2016 5:59:46 GMT
I had borrowed it for almost 2 months. That's pretty long and I took the opportunities to sit down and to play at least multiple times per week. That gave me a pretty deep understanding of the game. The first 5 saves were epic fails though, got rekt hard even on the easy difficulty. I was considering buying it for myself. Decided against it.
And the missing features that I would not have access to is so numerous. Trade, Diplomacy, Government, Tribes, Culture, so forth... Before the DLCs came out, the vanilla game did used to have partial implementation of some important features but now it's completely locked off unless you have the DLC (or downgrade to an old version which is buggy anyway). That really had turned me off.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 14, 2016 17:58:51 GMT
I had borrowed it for almost 2 months. That's pretty long and I took the opportunities to sit down and to play at least multiple times per week. That gave me a pretty deep understanding of the game. The first 5 saves were epic fails though, got rekt hard even on the easy difficulty. I was considering buying it for myself. Decided against it. And the missing features that I would not have access to is so numerous. Trade, Diplomacy, Government, Tribes, Culture, so forth... Before the DLCs came out, the vanilla game did used to have partial implementation of some important features but now it's completely locked off unless you have the DLC (or downgrade to an old version which is buggy anyway). That really had turned me off. Idk what version you played but I played pre-Mare Nostrum DLC and it worked just fine without DLCs |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Jun 14, 2016 20:13:44 GMT
I had borrowed it for almost 2 months. That's pretty long and I took the opportunities to sit down and to play at least multiple times per week. That gave me a pretty deep understanding of the game. The first 5 saves were epic fails though, got rekt hard even on the easy difficulty. I was considering buying it for myself. Decided against it. And the missing features that I would not have access to is so numerous. Trade, Diplomacy, Government, Tribes, Culture, so forth... Before the DLCs came out, the vanilla game did used to have partial implementation of some important features but now it's completely locked off unless you have the DLC (or downgrade to an old version which is buggy anyway). That really had turned me off. Idk what version you played but I played pre-Mare Nostrum DLC and it worked just fine without DLCs I played without Mare Nostrum and Cossacks and I was fine. Though Mare Nostrum was basically a useless dlc... |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Jun 14, 2016 20:31:23 GMT
Idk what version you played but I played pre-Mare Nostrum DLC and it worked just fine without DLCs I played without Mare Nostrum and Cossacks and I was fine. Though Mare Nostrum was basically a useless dlc... Do you need Mare Nostrum, cossacks, etc. if you want to buy the El Dorado DLC? Since I really want to do the custom nation thing. |
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Post by Philip II of Macedon on Jun 14, 2016 22:29:38 GMT
I played without Mare Nostrum and Cossacks and I was fine. Though Mare Nostrum was basically a useless dlc... Do you need Mare Nostrum, cossacks, etc. if you want to buy the El Dorado DLC? Since I really want to do the custom nation thing. Mare Nostrum is uneccesary. General consensis is that art of war, common sense, and to a lesser degree cossacks are the dlcs you really need to have. Everything else is whether you want it. Here is a list of features www.eu4wiki.com/Downloadable_content |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 14, 2016 22:43:06 GMT
I played without Mare Nostrum and Cossacks and I was fine. Though Mare Nostrum was basically a useless dlc... Do you need Mare Nostrum, cossacks, etc. if you want to buy the El Dorado DLC? Since I really want to do the custom nation thing. The only good thing in cossacks is that you can set your diplomatic opinion of others (friendly, defensive, protective, hostile, rival, etc) |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Jun 14, 2016 22:43:34 GMT
I personally recommend Art of War since it has the most content and can easily be bought for $7
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