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Post by jonblend on Oct 11, 2016 11:18:04 GMT
Hi, I plan to get a second cavalry general in addition to Dumouriez/Lan. I read on this forum and went through the genarals list and came up with Golitsyn or Berthier. For me, Golitsyn is pure cavalry while Berthier is extra effort but also highly versatile (trading stars, artillery stars). When comparing their respective cavalry abilities, both can be trained to the same level of damage and movement. My question is do I really need Berthier's versatility? Are there any campaign missions where I need him as fast artillery? Am I missing something that I didn't think of? .org/image/tw31yy4y5/]  [/url] .org/image/txi50ocel/]  [/url] |
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Oct 11, 2016 11:27:19 GMT
Golytsin as Isabela has four training stars and giving golytsin a few move trainers is cheaper then training berthier. I myself have Golytsin.
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Oct 11, 2016 11:29:26 GMT
It's your second cav general, right? Then Berthier it is. You'll still have Dumouriez, which is good enough to pass most campaigns. Berthier's edge isn't versatility, but his Geography skill. If you don't know already, stars can be upgraded. This'd make Berthier a real good cav gen. An upgraded Berthier (mine): .org/image/e8al0mi49/]  [/url] |
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Post by granny's terror on Oct 11, 2016 13:46:03 GMT
Berthier vs Golitsyn........
Berthier is 10 thousand times better than Golitsyn(when trained).Its not cuz of the business and artillery stars,its cuz of geography.With a trained Berthier,you can beat any campaign with five stars.I don't have him,but I have seen both.Berthier is better than Golitsyn only because of Geography.But is better.
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Post by jonblend on Oct 11, 2016 14:14:00 GMT
Cavalry units have a basic movement of 8 (9 heavy and 10 light cav).
I think that Golitsyn with 5 movement stars and the items war horse and quality saddle can move 5 tiles (8+2+5 and "geography" from war horse).
Berthier already has Geography so with 2 quality saddles he has (8+2+2+5=17) still a range of 5 fields. If that's right then his Geography skill only profits his artillery role.?
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 11, 2016 14:15:36 GMT
Cavalry units have a basic movement of 8 (9 heavy and 10 light cav). I think that Golitsyn with 5 movement stars and the items war horse and quality saddle can move 5 tiles (8+2+5 and "geography" from war horse). Berthier already has Geography so with 2 quality saddles he has (8+2+2+5=17) still a range of 5 fields. If that's right then his Geography skill only profits his artillery role.? Berthier fits Heavy/Light Cavalry, without that he's Golitsyn with 3*training. |
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Post by jonblend on Oct 11, 2016 14:29:11 GMT
It's your second cav general, right? Then Berthier it is. You'll still have Dumouriez, which is good enough to pass most campaigns. Berthier's edge isn't versatility, but his Geography skill. If you don't know already, stars can be upgraded. This'd make Berthier a real good cav gen. An upgraded Berthier (mine): judging from this picture I guess you never used him on artillery (still 4 stars). My thought was that Sophia could be on a ship (rumors are some SNS missions require lots of navy) and Berthier could take her job and he can move further than her thanks to Geography. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Oct 11, 2016 14:30:59 GMT
It's your second cav general, right? Then Berthier it is. You'll still have Dumouriez, which is good enough to pass most campaigns. Berthier's edge isn't versatility, but his Geography skill. If you don't know already, stars can be upgraded. This'd make Berthier a real good cav gen. An upgraded Berthier (mine): judging from this picture I guess you never used him on artillery (still 4 stars). My thought was that Sophia could be on a ship (rumors are some SNS missions require lots of navy) and Berthier could take her job and he can move further than her thanks to Geography. Isabela would do fine as Arty. |
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Post by Tito on Oct 11, 2016 14:31:00 GMT
Berethier has AWESOME skills but he needs A lot of trainers, Golitsyn is just decent and doesnt need trainers
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Post by jonblend on Oct 11, 2016 14:46:18 GMT
Cavalry units have a basic movement of 8 (9 heavy and 10 light cav). I think that Golitsyn with 5 movement stars and the items war horse and quality saddle can move 5 tiles (8+2+5 and "geography" from war horse). Berthier already has Geography so with 2 quality saddles he has (8+2+2+5=17) still a range of 5 fields. If that's right then his Geography skill only profits his artillery role.? Berthier fits Heavy/Light Cavalry, without that he's Golitsyn with 3*training. Couldn't find it now but I remember a table that showed movement of unit and move range. It also said the maximum you can move is 5 fields. True? EDIT: this is from the starting guide .org/image/4yflmfr0d/]  [/url] |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 11, 2016 19:09:31 GMT
Berthier fits Heavy/Light Cavalry, without that he's Golitsyn with 3*training. Couldn't find it now but I remember a table that showed movement of unit and move range. It also said the maximum you can move is 5 fields. True? EDIT: this is from the starting guide No, 6. Heavy Cavalry has 9 movement, 9+5+2+2=18, 6 hex. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Oct 11, 2016 19:20:38 GMT
You have 4 slots, right?
I like to have, when with 4 slots:
Lan (Cav)
Isabela (Art)
Sophia (Art, also Inf/Nav)
One more.
Since Golitsyn has 5* and Berthier has 1, I pick Golitsyn.
If you don't really like Artillery, you can have
Lan (Cav, also Navy)
Isabela (Art)
Berthier (Cav, also Art)
Dobeln (Inf)
I like the former better, since it has a fort cracker and 2 artillery mains, but the latter is valid
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Oct 11, 2016 19:41:44 GMT
Berethier has AWESOME skills but he needs A lot of trainers, Golitsyn is just decent and doesnt need trainers Move trainers? |
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Post by Stonewall Jackson on Oct 11, 2016 19:47:17 GMT
You have 4 slots, right? I like to have, when with 4 slots: Lan (Cav) Isabela (Art) Sophia (Art, also Inf/Nav) One more. Since Golitsyn has 5* and Berthier has 1, I pick Golitsyn. If you don't really like Artillery, you can have Lan (Cav, also Navy) Isabela (Art) Berthier (Cav, also Art) Dobeln (Inf) I like the former better, since it has a fort cracker and 2 artillery mains, but the latter is valid But Berthier is better in the long run. And wouldn't Victoria make a suitable replacement for Dobeln? |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Oct 11, 2016 20:01:07 GMT
You have 4 slots, right? I like to have, when with 4 slots: Lan (Cav) Isabela (Art) Sophia (Art, also Inf/Nav) One more. Since Golitsyn has 5* and Berthier has 1, I pick Golitsyn. If you don't really like Artillery, you can have Lan (Cav, also Navy) Isabela (Art) Berthier (Cav, also Art) Dobeln (Inf) I like the former better, since it has a fort cracker and 2 artillery mains, but the latter is valid But Berthier is better in the long run. And wouldn't Victoria make a suitable replacement for Dobeln? Agreed. Victoria is navy potential, and has better survivalability. Sophia+Isabela+Lan+Victoria would be great. |
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