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Post by The Light Bringer on Aug 8, 2017 11:03:00 GMT
It is not like they were defacto capitals in one time it is more of like biggest city, biggest economy and parliament are 3 different things, it is not like SAR (which has 3 official)at all, but it has developed over time that Australia has 3 central cities not one and that technically makes the rest cities with country wise importance None of that means they are capitals. We have one capital, end of story. Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb, Also, it wasn't you that spelt it Sidney so I don't see why you are responding to my response on that unless Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb is your alt... I wasn't talking about tmde facto capitals. My mistake I was sleepy when answered on sidney and thought it was meant to me lol. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2017 12:37:31 GMT
None of that means they are capitals. We have one capital, end of story. Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb , Also, it wasn't you that spelt it Sidney so I don't see why you are responding to my response on that unless Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb is your alt... I wasn't talking about tmde facto capitals. My mistake I was sleepy when answered on sidney and thought it was meant to me lol. Sydney and Melbourne are not de facto capitals of Australia. Largest city is just a measurement of population/land area, and varies depending on the definition of city. Largest economy is also a subjective, variable measurement. Neither of them makes them a capital. The definition of capital according to the Oxford Dictionary is "The city or town that functions as the seat of government and administrative centre of a country or region." For the nation 'Australia', the only place that functions as the seat of the national government is Canberra. Quoting the Constitution of the COmmonwealth of Australia: "COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 125 Seat of Government The seat of Government of the Commonwealth shall be determined by the Parliament, and shall be within territory which shall have been granted to or acquired by the Commonwealth, and shall be vested in and belong to the Commonwealth, and shall be in the State of New South Wales, and be distant not less than one hundred miles from Sydney. Such territory shall contain an area of not less than one hundred square miles, and such portion thereof as shall consist of Crown lands shall be granted to the Commonwealth without any payment therefor. The Parliament shall sit at Melbourne until it meet at the seat of Government." This 'territory' is present-day Canberra. Therefore, Australia only has one capital at any point in time. |
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Post by The Light Bringer on Aug 8, 2017 13:08:21 GMT
I wasn't talking about tmde facto capitals. My mistake I was sleepy when answered on sidney and thought it was meant to me lol. Sydney and Melbourne are not de facto capitals of Australia. Largest city is just a measurement of population/land area, and varies depending on the definition of city. Largest economy is also a subjective, variable measurement. Neither of them makes them a capital. The definition of capital according to the Oxford Dictionary is "The city or town that functions as the seat of government and administrative centre of a country or region." For the nation 'Australia', the only place that functions as the seat of the national government is Canberra. Quoting the Constitution of the COmmonwealth of Australia: "COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 125 Seat of Government The seat of Government of the Commonwealth shall be determined by the Parliament, and shall be within territory which shall have been granted to or acquired by the Commonwealth, and shall be vested in and belong to the Commonwealth, and shall be in the State of New South Wales, and be distant not less than one hundred miles from Sydney. Such territory shall contain an area of not less than one hundred square miles, and such portion thereof as shall consist of Crown lands shall be granted to the Commonwealth without any payment therefor. The Parliament shall sit at Melbourne until it meet at the seat of Government." This 'territory' is present-day Canberra. Therefore, Australia only has one capital at any point in time. Definition of capital in polit-economy is a city that is of a country wide importance, explanatory, with functions of main government, major economic, infrastructure and population centers, so by definition you could say that those are a lot although unofficial in most countries |
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Post by best75 on Aug 8, 2017 13:14:48 GMT
I am pretty sure a capital is just where the government buildings are not the place with biggest population or most developed. In NZ Auckland is the biggest city but I never heard anyone saying it's the capital.
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2017 13:16:30 GMT
Sydney and Melbourne are not de facto capitals of Australia. Largest city is just a measurement of population/land area, and varies depending on the definition of city. Largest economy is also a subjective, variable measurement. Neither of them makes them a capital. The definition of capital according to the Oxford Dictionary is "The city or town that functions as the seat of government and administrative centre of a country or region." For the nation 'Australia', the only place that functions as the seat of the national government is Canberra. Quoting the Constitution of the COmmonwealth of Australia: "COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 125 Seat of Government The seat of Government of the Commonwealth shall be determined by the Parliament, and shall be within territory which shall have been granted to or acquired by the Commonwealth, and shall be vested in and belong to the Commonwealth, and shall be in the State of New South Wales, and be distant not less than one hundred miles from Sydney. Such territory shall contain an area of not less than one hundred square miles, and such portion thereof as shall consist of Crown lands shall be granted to the Commonwealth without any payment therefor. The Parliament shall sit at Melbourne until it meet at the seat of Government." This 'territory' is present-day Canberra. Therefore, Australia only has one capital at any point in time. Definition of capital in polit-economy is a city that is of a country wide importance, explanatory, with functions of main government, major economic, infrastructure and population centers, so by definition you could say that those are a lot although unofficial in most countries Never have I recall, as an Australian citizen, that any one of your "unofficial capitals" be valid in any way, nor did anyone use that term in Australia. As an Australian, I can truthfully tell you there is only one capital in Australia, and that is Canberra. And no, the micronations in the Outback do not count. |
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Post by Erich von Ludendorff on Aug 8, 2017 13:17:32 GMT
By that "logic" Karachi would STILL be the Capital of Pakistan. It's the biggest city in Pakistan. And used to be the Capital until Ayub Khan was like "NAH we gotta make a whole new Capital just two kilometers from Rawalpindi!"
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Post by The Light Bringer on Aug 8, 2017 13:40:54 GMT
Definition of capital in polit-economy is a city that is of a country wide importance, explanatory, with functions of main government, major economic, infrastructure and population centers, so by definition you could say that those are a lot although unofficial in most countries Never have I recall, as an Australian citizen, that any one of your "unofficial capitals" be valid in any way, nor did anyone use that term in Australia. As an Australian, I can truthfully tell you there is only one capital in Australia, and that is Canberra. And no, the micronations in the Outback do not count. The official count of capitals is on government of country. |
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Post by The Light Bringer on Aug 8, 2017 13:44:09 GMT
I am pretty sure a capital is just where the government buildings are not the place with biggest population or most developed. In NZ Auckland is the biggest city but I never heard anyone saying it's the capital. Let's take for example SAR, first capital is where the government sits, second capital is where the president sits and third is the economical center of country it is officially so because of government while example USA, official capital is Washington while New York should be capital of economy, etc etc. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2017 13:44:20 GMT
Never have I recall, as an Australian citizen, that any one of your "unofficial capitals" be valid in any way, nor did anyone use that term in Australia. As an Australian, I can truthfully tell you there is only one capital in Australia, and that is Canberra. And no, the micronations in the Outback do not count. The official count of capitals is on government of country. I have just quoted the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia, which states that the seat of government (in other words, the capital) is Canberra, and Canberra only. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2017 13:45:48 GMT
I am pretty sure a capital is just where the government buildings are not the place with biggest population or most developed. In NZ Auckland is the biggest city but I never heard anyone saying it's the capital. Let's take for example SAR, first capital is where the government sits, second capital is where the president sits and third is the economical center of country it is officially so because of government while example USA, official capital is Washington while New York should be capital of economy, etc etc. An Economic centre is not an offical capital in any way. By that logic, the USA has like 4 capitals (counting Mar-a-Lago), Japan has at least two, PRC has 4, and Germany has ~10. |
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Post by The Light Bringer on Aug 8, 2017 13:48:02 GMT
Let's take for example SAR, first capital is where the government sits, second capital is where the president sits and third is the economical center of country it is officially so because of government while example USA, official capital is Washington while New York should be capital of economy, etc etc. An Economic centre is not an offical capital in any way. By that logic, the USA has like 4 capitals (counting Mar-a-Lago), Japan has at least two, PRC has 4, and Germany has ~10. When did I state that it is an official capital? |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 8, 2017 14:06:31 GMT
An Economic centre is not an offical capital in any way. By that logic, the USA has like 4 capitals (counting Mar-a-Lago), Japan has at least two, PRC has 4, and Germany has ~10. When did I state that it is an official capital? So it's unofficial capitals. By that definition, since many counties and small towns in the US proclaim themselves capital of [insert some local oddity here], that means that the USA should have a couple hundred unofficial capitals. The problem with unofficial capitals, you see, is that anyone can call their town an unofficial capital of something. In fact, I'm going to do it right now. Glen Waverley is the capital of weird-Chinese-shops-that-sell-cheap-moon-cakes-in-Melbourne! Toorak is the capital of rich-inner-city-Melburnians-who-have-bigger-egos-than-their-large-and-frankly-weird-houses! And so on, and so forth. You see why unofficial capitals don't make sense? |
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Post by The Light Bringer on Aug 8, 2017 14:46:17 GMT
When did I state that it is an official capital? So it's unofficial capitals. By that definition, since many counties and small towns in the US proclaim themselves capital of [insert some local oddity here], that means that the USA should have a couple hundred unofficial capitals. The problem with unofficial capitals, you see, is that anyone can call their town an unofficial capital of something. In fact, I'm going to do it right now. Glen Waverley is the capital of weird-Chinese-shops-that-sell-cheap-moon-cakes-in-Melbourne! Toorak is the capital of rich-inner-city-Melburnians-who-have-bigger-egos-than-their-large-and-frankly-weird-houses! And so on, and so forth. You see why unofficial capitals don't make sense? If a city complies with polit-economical terminology it technically is capital, the matter if it gets official status is completely on governments shoulders and even if the official status is not given, that status can be used in some political or economical discussions if both sides agrees on such terminology, but as I said until it is recognized by government it is unofficial |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Aug 8, 2017 14:49:10 GMT
So it's unofficial capitals. By that definition, since many counties and small towns in the US proclaim themselves capital of [insert some local oddity here], that means that the USA should have a couple hundred unofficial capitals. The problem with unofficial capitals, you see, is that anyone can call their town an unofficial capital of something. In fact, I'm going to do it right now. Glen Waverley is the capital of weird-Chinese-shops-that-sell-cheap-moon-cakes-in-Melbourne! Toorak is the capital of rich-inner-city-Melburnians-who-have-bigger-egos-than-their-large-and-frankly-weird-houses! And so on, and so forth. You see why unofficial capitals don't make sense? If a city complies with polit-economical terminology it technically is capital, the matter if it gets official status is completely on governments shoulders and even if the official status is not given, that status can be used in some political or economical discussions if both sides agrees on such terminology, but as I said until it is recognized by government it is unofficial "if both sides agrees on such terminology." Problem is, Quintus Fabius doesn't. By definition, that status cannot be used in this discussion. |
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Post by The Light Bringer on Aug 8, 2017 14:51:29 GMT
If a city complies with polit-economical terminology it technically is capital, the matter if it gets official status is completely on governments shoulders and even if the official status is not given, that status can be used in some political or economical discussions if both sides agrees on such terminology, but as I said until it is recognized by government it is unofficial "if both sides agrees on such terminology." Problem is, Quintus Fabius doesn't. By definition, that status cannot be used in this discussion. Let's just end it lol |
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