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Post by Ivan Kolev on Mar 12, 2017 13:14:02 GMT
Ivan Kolev , Russia would like it if the Mongols help against the Boxers. Russia plans to establish an independent Mongolia, as a puppet of course. Help Russia and Mongolia would become less of a puppet. We will also give Sternberg. I would like to send another proposition your way: The Bogd Khan Agreement: -Mongolia will be established as an independent state -Mongolia will not lay claim to the Trans-Baykal or Buryatia -Mongolia will be in the Russian Sphere of Influence -Mongolia will be forced to allow Russian troops into their country indefinitely -Mongolia will be protected from a potential Chinese restoration of power in the region -Sternberg may become our Great Khan -Tibetan Buddhism may remain the official religion of a Theocratic Mongolian State -Inner Mongolia, Tannu Tuva and Eastern Manchuria  Basically this map, only land that would be connected to the Mongol state directly, however and we do not want the Russian territory (Except Tannu Tuva which is currently Qing) -Mongolia will be allowed to build its own Armed Force and to deal with foreign relations themselves and not through Russia. -Mongolia will be involved in any war that Russia is involved in (On the side of Russia, of course) -Mongolia will officially declare independence from the Qing Dynasty and help fight against the Qing Dynasty Also, just a request, we would appreciate an extension of the Trans-Siberian Railway south to Urga so we have a railroad to Vladivostok for trade and such. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Mar 12, 2017 13:27:58 GMT
Ivan Kolev , Russia would like it if the Mongols help against the Boxers. Russia plans to establish an independent Mongolia, as a puppet of course. Help Russia and Mongolia would become less of a puppet. We will also give Sternberg. I would like to send another proposition your way: The Bogd Khan Agreement: -Mongolia will be established as an independent state -Mongolia will not lay claim to the Trans-Baykal or Buryatia -Mongolia will be in the Russian Sphere of Influence -Mongolia will be forced to allow Russian troops into their country indefinitely -Mongolia will be protected from a potential Chinese restoration of power in the region -Sternberg may become our Great Khan -Tibetan Buddhism may remain the official religion of a Theocratic Mongolian State -Inner Mongolia, Tannu Tuva and Eastern Manchuria Basically this map, only land that would be connected to the Mongol state directly, however and we do not want the Russian territory (Except Tannu Tuva which is currently Qing) -Mongolia will be allowed to build its own Armed Force and to deal with foreign relations themselves and not through Russia. -Mongolia will be involved in any war that Russia is involved in (On the side of Russia, of course) -Mongolia will officially declare independence from the Qing Dynasty and help fight against the Qing Dynasty Also, just a request, we would appreciate an extension of the Trans-Siberian Railway south to Urga so we have a railroad to Vladivostok for trade and such. 1. Tannu Tuva can be Mongol, provided half of its income is given to Russia. If not, Tannu Tuva shall be Russian. 2. Russia accepts diplomatic freedom, though Mongolia must maintain transparency in its diplomatic relations to Russia by informing Russia of foreign relations. 3. Russia agrees to an extension of the Trans-Siberian Railway. However, Mongolia must prove itself to be of industrial worth. Russia asks Mongolia to industrialize, mainly for manufacture of Mosin-Nagants and other military needs. In addition to that, Mongolian goods passing through the Trans-Siberian Railway shall be taxed. Russia accepts the other terms. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Mar 12, 2017 13:40:22 GMT
Laurent de Gouvion 1. Sounds great, half of the Tuvan income will go to Russia 2. Okay, but only as long as Russia cannot 'veto' our foreign policy 3. Affirmative, we shall begin building weapons factories and being producing manufactured textiles and canned food as well. We will also find a way to build a Yurt Factory as those are in very high demand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 13:40:49 GMT
The Ottoman Empire proposes that Russia extend its Siberian railway line to the Ottoman border, from where we can build it all the way to Istanbul. Laurent de Gouvion |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Mar 12, 2017 13:49:48 GMT
Ivan Kolev, agreed. @khurramzafar, only if the railroad's costs are fully covered by the Ottomans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 13:51:02 GMT
Ivan Kolev, agreed. @khurramzafar, only if the railroad's costs are fully covered by the Ottomans. you build your section, I build mine. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Mar 12, 2017 13:52:36 GMT
Ivan Kolev , agreed. @khurramzafar , only if the railroad's costs are fully covered by the Ottomans. you build your section, I build mine. How would this railroad benefit Russia? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 13:59:36 GMT
you build your section, I build mine. How would this railroad benefit Russia? can help us with trade, can technically link Vladivostok to Istanbul. If you don't want it then fine. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Mar 12, 2017 14:02:15 GMT
How would this railroad benefit Russia? can help us with trade, can technically link Vladivostok to Istanbul. If you don't want it then fine. Russia is interested on extending the Railway, though building it with Russian funds would cost too much. Russia proposes that the Ottomans shoulder the cost in the short term while the money will be repaid by tax-free trade. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 14:15:28 GMT
can help us with trade, can technically link Vladivostok to Istanbul. If you don't want it then fine. Russia is interested on extending the Railway, though building it with Russian funds would cost too much. Russia proposes that the Ottomans shoulder the cost in the short term while the money will be repaid by tax-free trade. the Ottomans agree. Total cost of the project is estimated at 1800000 Lira. Out of which 900000 is paid to the Russians for the time being so they can start building their section. The remaining will be spent by the Ottomans on their section. |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Mar 12, 2017 14:19:11 GMT
Russia is interested on extending the Railway, though building it with Russian funds would cost too much. Russia proposes that the Ottomans shoulder the cost in the short term while the money will be repaid by tax-free trade. the Ottomans agree. Total cost of the project is estimated at 1800000 Lira. Out of which 900000 is paid to the Russians for the time being so they can start building their section. The remaining will be spent by the Ottomans on their section. *money is lost to corrupt Russian officials* Can we ask for another payment please? In all seriousness, Russia will have Sergei Witte watch the project closely. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 14:20:22 GMT
the Ottomans agree. Total cost of the project is estimated at 1800000 Lira. Out of which 900000 is paid to the Russians for the time being so they can start building their section. The remaining will be spent by the Ottomans on their section. *money is lost to corrupt Russian officials* Can we ask for another payment please? In all seriousness, Russia will have Sergei Witte watch the project closely. corrupt officials must be beheaded! Ok |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Mar 12, 2017 14:23:21 GMT
@khurramzafar , Laurent de Gouvion , this planned Vladivostok-Istanbul Railroad would cost a hella lot, needing for the railway in Russia to go south to the Caucasus and then across Anatolia to Istanbul, or you'd need to get Romania and the Bulgarian Principality (A vassal of the Ottomans) to agree which would also cost large amts of funds. But, the real reason why I'm talking is because the Mongol government proposes that we send some of our workers to help build the railroad and in return, we would gain help in our industrialization process. We would also like to send some government envoys and Mongolian capitalists to watch the building of the railroad to see how to build some in Mongolia. |
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Post by Desophaeus on Mar 12, 2017 14:51:27 GMT
I have to agree with Ivan Kolev, the Mongolian extension makes more sense than the Ottman extension. The distance difference is huge. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Mar 12, 2017 14:58:15 GMT
Or we could always build one huge bridge from Sevastopol to Istanbul and then link the railway from there  |
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