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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2017 15:47:53 GMT
Voi-la (I mean you should go to the previous page) :-) :-) I do not see any increase in defense after Armor master is triggered. So maybe I am not that wrong after all and description of the skill is straightforward ;-) Well... the description says "to units nearby"  Have You checked the deff stats of the nearby units? |
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Post by stoic on Mar 28, 2017 15:47:56 GMT
That is why it is useful to download those suspicious mods...
Only in the name of science, of course!
:-) :-) :-)
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Post by stoic on Mar 28, 2017 15:49:24 GMT
I love how this started out as which generals should be bought first, and now it's an all out debate XD I love this forum. By the way you should deffinitely consider buying Blucher... :-) :-) :-) :-) |
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Post by stoic on Mar 28, 2017 15:51:40 GMT
Voi-la (I mean you should go to the previous page) :-) :-) I do not see any increase in defense after Armor master is triggered. So maybe I am not that wrong after all and description of the skill is straightforward ;-) Well... the description says "to units nearby" Have You checked the deff stats of the nearby units? Did I? Of course I did :-) Wait another few seconds... |
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Post by TK421 on Mar 28, 2017 15:53:34 GMT
I love how this started out as which generals should be bought first, and now it's an all out debate XD I love this forum. By the way you should deffinitely consider buying Blucher... :-) :-) :-) :-) He's in my list, isn't he, breh? Li Shimin and Richard are tempting, though. Rich costs 2000. Cheap. Li will be my one and only fort cracker (due to how powerful he is...  ). Although, he is costly. THE DECISIONS! |
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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2017 16:03:29 GMT
Well... the description says "to units nearby" Have You checked the deff stats of the nearby units? Did I? Of course I did :-) Wait another few seconds... Yeah, I rememeber Wuhan. The enemies raised their own deff with Armor Master activated. So it definetely should work on the unit himself. Can't check it by myself as I have neither Blucher nor Yi Sun-Sin. Well.. in case it is really the way You are saying then Blucher is great But at the same time I would probably reconsider the team in order to include Yi Sun-Sin (for the archer team) and to stay with Khan. In case Armor Master doesn't stack. Let's wait for Erich von Manstein He is an expert in theoretical description of the skill mechanics. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 28, 2017 16:19:50 GMT
By the way you should deffinitely consider buying Blucher... :-) :-) :-) :-) He's in my list, isn't he, breh? Li Shimin and Richard are tempting, though. Rich costs 2000. Cheap. Li will be my one and only fort cracker (due to how powerful he is... ). Although, he is costly. THE DECISIONS! Do not forget you should upgrade Lionheart to Blucher's age. It is another 900 medals (so I recall). It is then 3250 (Blucher) vs 2900 (Richard) |
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Post by TK421 on Mar 28, 2017 16:23:37 GMT
He's in my list, isn't he, breh? Li Shimin and Richard are tempting, though. Rich costs 2000. Cheap. Li will be my one and only fort cracker (due to how powerful he is... ). Although, he is costly. THE DECISIONS! Do not forget you should upgrade Lionheart to Blucher's age. It is another 900 medals (so I recall). It is then 3250 (Blucher) vs 2900 (Richard) Yeah, I know. The question is, do I: 1: Do that 2: Get Li shimin, instead, and be set on fort cracking forever. 3: Wait for good old Blucher.... EASYTECH, WHY? In previous games, their generals were far less broad. How many truly "Good" ones were in previous games, and since when were their such intricate line-ups? EW5? Attila, Lionheart, Both Li's, Alexander, Nobunaga, Caesar, Saladin, Blucher......EASYTECH! You're overwhelming my feeble mind! |
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Post by stoic on Mar 28, 2017 16:24:04 GMT
Did I? Of course I did :-) Wait another few seconds... Yeah, I rememeber Wuhan. The enemies raised their own deff with Armor Master activated. So it definetely should work on the unit himself. Can't check it by myself as I have neither Blucher nor Yi Sun-Sin. Well.. in case it is really the way You are saying then Blucher is great But at the same time I would probably reconsider the team in order to include Yi Sun-Sin (for the archer team) and to stay with Khan. In case Armor Master doesn't stack. Let's wait for Erich von Manstein He is an expert in theoretical description of the skill mechanics. Yes... Let's see if a stubborn Russian resistance could overcome von Manstein's theoretical knowledge :-):-):-) Ps Btw uploaded pics of a unit nearby |
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Post by stoic on Mar 28, 2017 16:29:05 GMT
Do not forget you should upgrade Lionheart to Blucher's age. It is another 900 medals (so I recall). It is then 3250 (Blucher) vs 2900 (Richard) Yeah, I know. The question is, do I: 1: Do that 2: Get Li shimin, instead, and be set on fort cracking forever. 3: Wait for good old Blucher.... EASYTECH, WHY? In previous games, their generals were far less broad. How many truly "Good" ones were in previous games, and since when were their such intricate line-ups? EW5? Attila, Lionheart, Both Li's, Alexander, Nobunaga, Caesar, Saladin, Blucher......EASYTECH! You're overwhelming my feeble mind! But isn't that what makes this game great?! No one previous ET game could hold me tight more than 3 months... |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 28, 2017 20:35:24 GMT
Did I? Of course I did :-) Wait another few seconds... Yeah, I rememeber Wuhan. The enemies raised their own deff with Armor Master activated. So it definetely should work on the unit himself. Can't check it by myself as I have neither Blucher nor Yi Sun-Sin. Well.. in case it is really the way You are saying then Blucher is great But at the same time I would probably reconsider the team in order to include Yi Sun-Sin (for the archer team) and to stay with Khan. In case Armor Master doesn't stack. Let's wait for Erich von Manstein He is an expert in theoretical description of the skill mechanics. They do buff themselves, and stack by MULTIPLICATION! Blucher and Yi Sun-sin are great, I personally prefer Blucher more because Yi Sun-sin will take longer time to trigger. But both are super expensive and have subs of Saladin and Catherine/Moctezuma/Jebe. |
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Post by andrei on Mar 28, 2017 21:10:22 GMT
Yeah, I rememeber Wuhan. The enemies raised their own deff with Armor Master activated. So it definetely should work on the unit himself. Can't check it by myself as I have neither Blucher nor Yi Sun-Sin. Well.. in case it is really the way You are saying then Blucher is great But at the same time I would probably reconsider the team in order to include Yi Sun-Sin (for the archer team) and to stay with Khan. In case Armor Master doesn't stack. Let's wait for Erich von Manstein He is an expert in theoretical description of the skill mechanics. They do buff themselves, and stack by MULTIPLICATION! Blucher and Yi Sun-sin are great, I personally prefer Blucher more because Yi Sun-sin will take longer time to trigger. But both are super expensive and have subs of Saladin and Catherine/Moctezuma/Jebe. So, what is the mechanics of this skill? Is it same as Commander? I mean whether it applies to deff stat or not. How does it work exactly? |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Mar 28, 2017 22:25:44 GMT
They do buff themselves, and stack by MULTIPLICATION! Blucher and Yi Sun-sin are great, I personally prefer Blucher more because Yi Sun-sin will take longer time to trigger. But both are super expensive and have subs of Saladin and Catherine/Moctezuma/Jebe. So, what is the mechanics of this skill? Is it same as Commander? I mean whether it applies to deff stat or not. How does it work exactly? By stat, it will increase like commander does. However the effect of each point of defense becomes less significant as the stat is higher, for example, against an enemy of 100 atk, the difference between 10 def and 50 def is way higher than 50 and 90. The most efficient way is to make the def 50% of enemy atk. Of course, the higher the better, but not THAT efficient(the formula remains unclear, but a basic concept is known). Therefore Blucher-Yi combination... maybe better when you have to split your force in ArchCom? Since the archers are fragile. |
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Post by stoic on Mar 29, 2017 2:45:56 GMT
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Post by stoic on Mar 29, 2017 3:08:13 GMT
So I think it has nothing to do with defense. 3 simple reasons:
1. Description of the skill says nothing about defense (but says clearly about damage reduction).
2. Defense stats do not change after skills are triggered.
3. Dynamics of damage reduction fits well in what I've said above (though of course further experiments are necessary).
So anyone who thinks otherwise, should explain:
a) Why description of the skill says nothing about defense.
b) Why we do not see any increase of defense (while we see increase clearly with Commander skill).
c) He should give explanation of how this skill is connected with defense stats (and a clear one, not an obscure one)
The burden of proof, you know
:-):-):-):-)
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). Although, he is costly. THE DECISIONS! 
