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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 6:57:23 GMT
And btw where was this weak tank - in the city or outside it? No city involved in this experiment. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 6:59:36 GMT
Note the experiments with Guderians was seperate, the 1 on lighttank and the 1 on heavytank. Tech doesnt matter as it applied to attacks on all circumstances. I mean as soon as You are improving Your tech tree no any other skill can give Your bigger damage increase  Still one of the best for tank together with armor assualt. Well, for now, I have lost faith in leader skills. I am willing to give another try though, maybe with artillery. Until the perfect answer have been found, all we can do atm is smacking our heads with each other until the answer pops out. Until then, we must suffer. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 7:05:04 GMT
Btw, I dont think armour assult and tech has any effect on panzer leader. As far as I know, panzer leader is a skill that increases damage once in every few turns. So the percentage for buffing doesn't get effected by tech(at least that is my theory). best75, andrei, stoic, any words on this? |
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 7:07:10 GMT
Btw, I dont think armour assult and tech has any effect on panzer leader. As far as I know, panzer leader is a skill that increases damage once in every few turns. So the percentage for buffing doesn't get effected by tech(at least that is my theory). best75 , andrei , stoic , any words on this? It affects unit's attack. And what is unit's attack? Unit's attack is base attack plus tech upgrade of the attack. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 7:07:54 GMT
Note the experiments with Guderians was seperate, the 1 on lighttank and the 1 on heavytank. Tech doesnt matter as it applied to attacks on all circumstances. I mean as soon as You are improving Your tech tree no any other skill can give Your bigger damage increase Still one of the best for tank together with armor assualt. In fact I think that with Armored assault and Panzer leader skill my Graziani will be hardly weaker than Manstein deprived of all medals, for example. And I can use Blitzkreg with boosting medal on my third tank Commander with full effect... |
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 7:09:53 GMT
Anyway, in case Leader skill is around 15-20% then assault/accuracy/raider skills are more valuable than leader skills.
It was an important experiment. Means I will take accuracy instead of leader for Govorov for example as he has just one free slot.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 7:12:30 GMT
Btw, I dont think armour assult and tech has any effect on panzer leader. As far as I know, panzer leader is a skill that increases damage once in every few turns. So the percentage for buffing doesn't get effected by tech(at least that is my theory). best75 , andrei , stoic , any words on this? It affects unit's attack. And what is unit's attack? Unit's attack is base attack plus tech upgrade of the attack. Imo, the forumla would be like this: Leader skill triggered×(base output×armoured aassult×deprived evasion) PS- Tech and health are all part of the base output. Thus, according to my formula(which may be wrong of course) panzer leader buff has nothing to do with tech/other skills. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 7:12:42 GMT
Btw, I dont think armour assult and tech has any effect on panzer leader. As far as I know, panzer leader is a skill that increases damage once in every few turns. So the percentage for buffing doesn't get effected by tech(at least that is my theory). best75 , andrei , stoic , any words on this? But Armored assault is effected, and PL and AA are closely tight together... So there is an indirect connection at least... |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 7:13:45 GMT
Anyway, in case Leader skill is around 15-20% then assault/accuracy/raider skills are more valuable than leader skills. It was an important experiment. Means I will take accuracy instead of leader for Govorov for example as he has just one free slot. I don't want to rush anyone's decision but now I kinda dbout about getting leader skills for my gens. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 7:16:27 GMT
Btw, I dont think armour assult and tech has any effect on panzer leader. As far as I know, panzer leader is a skill that increases damage once in every few turns. So the percentage for buffing doesn't get effected by tech(at least that is my theory). best75 , andrei , stoic , any words on this? But Armored assault is effected, and PL and AA are closely tight together... So there is an indirect conection at least... Well, you may be right, andrei might be right, or I may be right. Or maybe we are all wrong. There's only 1 way to find out the answer, and that is experimenting. Maybe I will cancel the morale experiment for later and experiment more on leader. |
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Post by best75 on Oct 25, 2017 7:16:35 GMT
Anyway, in case Leader skill is around 15-20% then assault/accuracy/raider skills are more valuable than leader skills. It was an important experiment. Means I will take accuracy instead of leader for Govorov for example as he has just one free slot. I think we are missing something. If the numbers are true than Panzer Leader is a objectively far weaker skill than assault like you said. It would be a stupid design decision and I don't think easytech would make such a design decision. soonerjbd You said good things about the leader skill in the past, maybe you can give us your insight. |
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 7:17:02 GMT
It affects unit's attack. And what is unit's attack? Unit's attack is base attack plus tech upgrade of the attack. Imo, the forumla would be like this: Leader skill triggered×(base output×armoured aassult×deprived evasion) PS- Tech and health are all part of the base output. Thus, according to my formula(which may be wrong of course) panzer leader buff has nothing to do with tech/other skills. Correct. But as soon as tech attack upgrade is part of the base output skill affects the tech. Compare. Your heavy tank with no upgrades in tech tree will have 43 attack points. Your same heavy tank with max attack tech upgrade will have 91 attack points. Base 43 and base 91 is different |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 7:19:23 GMT
Imo, the forumla would be like this: Leader skill triggered×(base output×armoured aassult×deprived evasion) PS- Tech and health are all part of the base output. Thus, according to my formula(which may be wrong of course) panzer leader buff has nothing to do with tech/other skills. Correct. But as soon as tech attack upgrade is part of the base output skill affects the tech. Compare. Your heavy tank with no upgrades in tech tree will have 43 attack points. Your same heavy tank with max attack tech upgrade will have 91 attack points. Base 43 and base 91 is different Yes, the incrrased damage POINTS may be different, but buff in percentage stayes the same. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 7:21:11 GMT
Anyway, in case Leader skill is around 15-20% then assault/accuracy/raider skills are more valuable than leader skills. It was an important experiment. Means I will take accuracy instead of leader for Govorov for example as he has just one free slot. I think we are missing something. If the numbers are true than Panzer Leader is a objectively far weaker skill than assault like you said. It would be a stupid design decision and I don't think easytech would make such a design decision. soonerjbd You said good things about the leader skill in the past, maybe you can give us your insight. Jep, I asked soonerjbd for his opinion. On ET's design, maybe they chose the term of 'critical damage' to make it look strong and hide its true weaknrss. |
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 7:21:34 GMT
Correct. But as soon as tech attack upgrade is part of the base output skill affects the tech. Compare. Your heavy tank with no upgrades in tech tree will have 43 attack points. Your same heavy tank with max attack tech upgrade will have 91 attack points. Base 43 and base 91 is different Yes, the incrrased damage POINTS may be different, but buff in percentage stayes the same. True. But these percents will anyway provide You with one of the best boost You can find. No any other skill can give You more exept armor assault. So the skill is still very good. |
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