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Post by best75 on Oct 25, 2017 8:12:35 GMT
Well I am satisfied we can drop the conclusion that Leader skill is a crap skill. There is still faith in the leader skills. Leonid Govorov , my problem was not with your accuracy, it was I think you gave a conclusion that Panzer leader was a bad skill too soon and only based on a single experiment. There been comments by a few other players on the merit of the leader skills and plus from my own experience I seen great results so it was very difficult for me to agree with your conclusion. |
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 8:13:16 GMT
Looks like "fatal blow" is really fatal with techs and superunits used  Doubt ET will show the formula very soon. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:16:40 GMT
Well I am satisfied we can drop the conclusion that Leader skill is not a crap skill. There is still faith in the leader skills. Leonid Govorov , my problem was not with your accuracy, it was I think you gave a conclusion that Panzer leader was a bad skill too soon and only based on a single experiment. There been comments by a few other players on the merit of the leader skills and plus from my own experience I seen great results so it was very difficult for me to agree with your conclusion. Yes, I think the problem of this was that I was TOO accurate. I didn't leave enough room. I think we all agree it needs further research. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:17:37 GMT
Looks like "fatal blow" is really fatal with techs and superunits used Doubt ET will show the formula very soon. You don't need leader triggered to deal a fatal blow with one of these beasts  |
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Post by andrei on Oct 25, 2017 8:19:37 GMT
Looks like "fatal blow" is really fatal with techs and superunits used Doubt ET will show the formula very soon. You don't need leader triggered to deal a fatal blow with one of these beasts In case it is 60-80% You definetely need it with every general |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:22:05 GMT
You don't need leader triggered to deal a fatal blow with one of these beasts In case it is 60-80% You definetely need it with every general We can test it furtherly and decide for future players so they dont do the suffering |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 25, 2017 8:25:39 GMT
In case it is 60-80% You definetely need it with every general We can test it furtherly and decide for future players so they dont do the suffering I want to see numbers from some of my other tank generals who don’t have medals and some of the other damage abilities like Plain Fighting. I’d also like to see some testing from people at various tech levels and with generals who have various level upgrades on their abilities. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 8:28:29 GMT
Guderian 1939 has an unstacked heavy tank, soonerjbd ' Manstein has a super tank... Maybe super vehicles can increase not only the rough damage but also percentage of damage unstacked heavy tank - 20% double stacked tank - 40% triple stacked tank - 60% super tank - 80%  |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:28:33 GMT
We can test it furtherly and decide for future players so they dont do the suffering I want to see numbers from some of my other tank generals who don’t have medals and some of the other damage abilities like Plain Fighting. I’d also like to see some testing from people at various tech levels and with generals who have various level upgrades on their abilities. Maybe we can put pz leader on an inf gen like yamashita to see what happens. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:29:34 GMT
Guderian 1939 has an unstacked heavy tank, soonerjbd ' Manstein has a super tank... Maybe super vehicles can increase not only the rough damage but also percentage of damage unstacked heavy tank - 20% double stacked tank - 40% triple stacked tank - 60% super tank - 80% Then in case of ACs, it would be 0.5% bonus |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 25, 2017 8:33:09 GMT
One other thing this testing shows that I find interesting... look at Yamashita’s output numbers I posted. I gave him max level Jungle Fighting plus medal, Infantry Leader plus medal and Raider plus medal. Put him in a Polish Commando with 75 percent bonus damage from Forests. His output was HIGHER than fully upgraded Manstein in a super tank.
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 25, 2017 8:34:02 GMT
Guderian 1939 has an unstacked heavy tank, soonerjbd ' Manstein has a super tank... Maybe super vehicles can increase not only the rough damage but also percentage of damage unstacked heavy tank - 20% double stacked tank - 40% triple stacked tank - 60% super tank - 80% I get very similar numbers from stacked heavy tanks. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 8:37:12 GMT
Guderian 1939 has an unstacked heavy tank, soonerjbd ' Manstein has a super tank... Maybe super vehicles can increase not only the rough damage but also percentage of damage unstacked heavy tank - 20% double stacked tank - 40% triple stacked tank - 60% super tank - 80% I get very similar numbers from stacked heavy tanks. Ok... unstacked heavy tank - 15% - 20% double stacked heavy tank - 20 - 40% triple stacked tank/super tank - 40-80% |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 25, 2017 8:40:23 GMT
I think it is tied to general abilities and attack number, not unit type.
One other thing we need to look at is the level of Panzer Leader skill. I doubt higher level makes bonus higher. I think it is just chance to trigger. But needs to be tested.
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 8:40:42 GMT
That explains btw Yamashita's damage
Commandos is an elite unit in inf line...
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