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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:46:14 GMT
Luckly, now I have soonerjbd to suffer with me  |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 8:46:31 GMT
I think it is tied to general abilities and attack number, not unit type. One other thing we need to look at is the level of Panzer Leader skill. I doubt higher level makes bonus higher. I think it is just chance to trigger. But needs to be tested. And what if you give to your Manstein an unstacked heavy or even medium tank... What will be percentage increase of damage when PL is triggered? |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:50:37 GMT
I think it is tied to general abilities and attack number, not unit type. One other thing we need to look at is the level of Panzer Leader skill. I doubt higher level makes bonus higher. I think it is just chance to trigger. But needs to be tested. And what if you give to your Manstein an unstacked heavy or even medium tank... What will be percentage increase of damage when PL is triggered? Well, if the altering facts are indeed the unit type, we cannot explain the poor results from Guderian. Maybe he was feeling sick that day |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 8:50:57 GMT
Luckly, now I have soonerjbd to suffer with me Man, this thread is a hit... My congratulations! |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 8:55:44 GMT
Luckly, now I have soonerjbd to suffer with me Man, this thread is a hit... My congratulations! Never imagined it to be this big Thanks! I think this will stay active until either the secret is revealed or me, you, soonerjbd, best75 and andrei die of exhaust Hopefully it's the first case. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 8:58:35 GMT
Man, this thread is a hit... My congratulations! Never imagined it to be this big Thanks! I think this will stay active until either the secret is revealed or me, you, soonerjbd , best75 and andrei die of exhaust Hopefully it's the first case. Maybe for the future of the world the second one is better  |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 9:01:34 GMT
Never imagined it to be this big Thanks! I think this will stay active until either the secret is revealed or me, you, soonerjbd , best75 and andrei die of exhaust Hopefully it's the first case. Maybe for the future of the world the second one is better For the future of the EFC, the first 1 is better |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 12:25:36 GMT
Btw, if you can submit more experiences, that would be awesome. Will be testing Konev tommorrow.
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 25, 2017 12:43:19 GMT
I think it is tied to general abilities and attack number, not unit type. One other thing we need to look at is the level of Panzer Leader skill. I doubt higher level makes bonus higher. I think it is just chance to trigger. But needs to be tested. And what if you give to your Manstein an unstacked heavy or even medium tank... What will be percentage increase of damage when PL is triggered? I recall large Panzer Leader hits with Manstein in an unstacked heavy tank or a stacked medium tank. I don’t remember using him in truly weaker units, so it’s hard to say. |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 25, 2017 12:47:02 GMT
I will be doing some more testing today.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 12:55:18 GMT
I will be doing some more testing today. I suggest you do yayashita, and I will do Konev tommorrow. Will test on: Field arty Howlitzer Rocket arty |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 14:31:18 GMT
Obviously my testing simply can't be (anywhere near) perfect (my Vatutin has only lvl 1 Armored Assault plus medal - all in all 9%), but there are some interesting features. I attacked light artillery using light tank and triple stacked heavy tank. In first case the overall increase of PL damage is 17.1% in the second - 28.7%.
Maybe my theory is not as funny as I thought it is. PL damage seems not to be a constant. And percentage increase depends on many factors (maybe including vehicles)...
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 14:39:02 GMT
Obviously my testing simply can't be (anywhere near) perfect (my Vatutin has only lvl 1 Armored Assault plus medal - all in all 9%), but there are some interesting features. I attacked light artillery using light tank and triple stacked heavy tank. In first case the overall increase of PL damage is 17.1% in the second - 28.7%. Maybe my theory is not as funny as I thought it is. PL damage seems not to be a constant. And percentage increase depends on many factors (maybe including vehicles)... Good observation stoic, maybe your theory is correct. Let's do research on following units. We can fire 20 times each and compare the results. Pick a kind of unit. -Navy Sub Destroyer Cruiser -Tank AC WT MT HT -Infantry lI AI MI MechInf Commando -Arty FA Howlitzer RA Air Bomber Fighter Strategicbomber 3 missles Lets not do super units just yet. I'll be happy to take tank and arty, and soonerjbd could take inf and air as he has Yamashita. What do you say? |
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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 14:54:50 GMT
Obviously my testing simply can't be (anywhere near) perfect (my Vatutin has only lvl 1 Armored Assault plus medal - all in all 9%), but there are some interesting features. I attacked light artillery using light tank and triple stacked heavy tank. In first case the overall increase of PL damage is 17.1% in the second - 28.7%. Maybe my theory is not as funny as I thought it is. PL damage seems not to be a constant. And percentage increase depends on many factors (maybe including vehicles)... Good observation stoic, maybe your theory is correct. Let's do research on following units. We can fire 20 times each and compare the results. Pick a kind of unit. -Navy Sub Destroyer Cruiser -Tank AC WT MT HT -Infantry lI AI MI MechInf Commando -Arty FA Howlitzer RA Air Bomber Fighter Strategicbomber 3 missles Lets not do super units just yet. I'll be happy to take tank and arty, and soonerjbd could take inf and air as he has Yamashita. What do you say? We have to exclude Navy for now. The reason is simple: Navy Commanders do not have a skill similar to Accuracy or Armored Assault. And our testing models should have at least advanced (or better fully upgraded) lvl of Armored Assault/Raider/Accuracy to estimate the full potential of Leader skill. Any suggestions from missions or conquests? |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 14:59:13 GMT
stoic, you have a point, and I think a good way to experiment the changes of output made by atk buff is by giving yamashita pz leader and putting him on a tank. We can compare him with Guderian or someone later. Anyways back to topic I think Soonerjbd can do this as he has nimitz&yamamoto.
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