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Post by stoic on Oct 25, 2017 15:04:41 GMT
stoic, you have a point, and I think a good way to experiment the changes of output made by atk buff is by giving yamashita pz leader and putting him on a tank. We can compare him with Guderian or someone later. Anyways back to topic I think Soonerjbd can do this as he has nimitz&yamamoto. Yes, neither you, nor me have enough generals at our disposal with necessary skills, so to wait for soonerjbd' results is not a bad idea... Maybe andrei also can do some tests... |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 15:08:55 GMT
Tagging best75 also. stoic atm I have Guderian and Konev so I can test arty and panzer but nothing more. Its up to best75 and soonerjbd to test air, navy and infantry. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 25, 2017 17:51:43 GMT
soonerjbd, can you do navy and air? Erich von Manstein, what are the opinion of the Chinese? As the experiments turn out, it is not simply plus 50 percent or something.
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Post by best75 on Oct 25, 2017 21:32:06 GMT
Tagging best75 also. stoic atm I have Guderian and Konev so I can test arty and panzer but nothing more. Its up to best75 and soonerjbd to test air, navy and infantry. I lack the infantry and navy leader skill on any of my gens but I have Yamamoto who has airforce leader so I can test air |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 25, 2017 22:06:10 GMT
I don’t want to spend a ton of medals giving Yamashita Panzer Leader, but I will test my maxed out generals in a variety of units.
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 26, 2017 1:52:49 GMT
Before posting other results, I wanted to mention what I found testing air attacks. One complicating issue is that attacks don’t ever show red numbers like they do when Leader abilities trigger for other units. I used maxed-out Yamamoto. Using strategic bombing on ground units with no anti-air, the average hit was in the 65-75 range. On the high end, with what I am assuming to be Air Force Leader hits, damage averaged about 100. So, you are looking at roughly 43 percent bonus from Air Force Leader.
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 26, 2017 2:02:11 GMT
Manstein in double stacked medium tank
Non Panzer Leader hits ranged from around 130 to 155; Panzer Leader hits ranged from about 190 to 240. Bonus from Panzer Leader was about 50 percent on average and 65 percent on the high side.
Konev in double stacked howitzer
Non Artillery Leader hits averaged about 130; Artillery Leader hits ranged from 191 to 221. Bonus damage from Artillery Leader was in the 50 to 70 percent range.
Dönitz in double stacked cruiser
Non Fleet Leader hits averaged about 85; Fleet Leader hits averaged about 125. Fleet Leader bonus damage was in the 50 percent range on average.
Nimitz in double stacked destroyer
Almost identical to Dönitz in stacked cruiser. Bonus damage about 50 percent average, up to 60 percent on the high side.
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Post by stoic on Oct 26, 2017 2:02:54 GMT
Before posting other results, I wanted to mention what I found testing air attacks. One complicating issue is that attacks don’t ever show red numbers like they do when Leader abilities trigger for other units. I used maxed-out Yamamoto. Using strategic bombing on ground units with no anti-air, the average hit was in the 65-75 range. On the high end, with what I am assuming to be Air Force Leader hits, damage averaged about 100. So, you are looking at roughly 43 percent bonus from Air Force Leader. And what is a percentage increase in case of fighters and bombers? |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 26, 2017 2:15:02 GMT
Before posting other results, I wanted to mention what I found testing air attacks. One complicating issue is that attacks don’t ever show red numbers like they do when Leader abilities trigger for other units. I used maxed-out Yamamoto. Using strategic bombing on ground units with no anti-air, the average hit was in the 65-75 range. On the high end, with what I am assuming to be Air Force Leader hits, damage averaged about 100. So, you are looking at roughly 43 percent bonus from Air Force Leader. And what is a percentage increase in case of fighters and bombers? Bombing damage was similar. I didn’t test fighters. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 26, 2017 6:11:41 GMT
Let's first do the testings in ALL GERMAN units.
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Post by andrei on Oct 26, 2017 7:06:20 GMT
My testing with Manstein in double stack medium tank shows 15-20% increase when leader triggers. Just like in Leonid Govorov testing. My only guess why it is 15-20% and 50-65% with same unit and same general is that it is all about techs. But anyway the difference is huge. A little bit weird... My theory: The higher unit's attack the higher leader effect. One more thing. I was testing Manstein on double stack and tripple stack medium tank. In case double stack it was around 15-20% increase with leader trigger. In case with tripple stack it is around 25-30% increase with leader. It also confirms the idea that leader provides higher effect for the unit with higher attack (tripple medium tank has about 15% higher attack in comparison to double stack medium tank). |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 26, 2017 7:32:05 GMT
andrei, that is very intresting. Also I did some tests with konev on one stack howlitzer(I think)(german of course) and it was 60-90, which may not be accurate as I didnt fire enough only 5 times or so. So it is like a 50% increase. Very strane.
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 26, 2017 7:33:52 GMT
This seems much more complex then we thought... Erich von Manstein, can you lend a hand for us? |
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Post by andrei on Oct 26, 2017 7:45:58 GMT
Yep, quite complicated. Many factors involved: unit types, techs, stacking, generals. Will be difficult to find out the truth  |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Oct 26, 2017 8:45:48 GMT
True andrei but luckly we have a team of great members including best75, stoic, soonerjbd and of course yourself. If we keep smacking our heads together, someday the truth will reveal. Gotta work until then  |
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