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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 0:15:09 GMT
i started over since i waste my medal and what general should i get first?
Messe or Tito?
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Post by lopicko on Nov 16, 2017 0:52:32 GMT
Hi. Its recommended that you get messe
From there you will have 2 paths.
Some save 2.9 k medals to get guderian
Some recommended getting Leeb to ease progression.
If you decide to go route 1 you may need to grind some conquest( which won't be easy with just messe) to match the deficit of a good general.
Use these resources to upgrade your tech to progress on.
If you decide to go route 2 you will need to wait abit longer for guderian as you spent some medals buying Leeb already. But in term you will be able to farm conquest and invasions more easily.
Opportunities cost.
Good luck
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Post by Tadamichi Kuribayashi on Nov 16, 2017 1:00:30 GMT
Buy Kuribayashi, he's clearly better than Tito.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 16, 2017 10:13:42 GMT
Tito with 3 inf, 2 art stars and only inf skills is real crap. Messe is the best choice if you want to have gen from the very beginning. I bought Timoshenko as first gen (without clearing conquests), but it wasn't so easy to get medals for that. IMO if you want an easy way, start with Messe and then Timoshenko, if you have problems getting medals for him, sell Messe, as after you get Timoshenko, life becomes very easy.
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Post by lopicko on Nov 16, 2017 13:31:01 GMT
Max Otto von Stierlitz, @communist, Timoshenko is just Messe with more movement and bring no value to the team at all nor will you be using him for mid to late game missions. In addition Messe already starts with rumor and armored assault.
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Post by andrei on Nov 16, 2017 13:45:30 GMT
Max Otto von Stierlitz , @communist , Timoshenko is just Messe with more movement and bring no value to the team at all nor will you be using him for mid to late game missions. In addition Messe already starts with rumor and armored assault. , Max Otto von Stierlitz is using Timoshenko as a hybrid. Messe can't serve efficiently in several roles. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Nov 16, 2017 14:21:54 GMT
Max Otto von Stierlitz , @communist , Timoshenko is just Messe with more movement and bring no value to the team at all nor will you be using him for mid to late game missions. In addition Messe already starts with rumor and armored assault. , Max Otto von Stierlitz is using Timoshenko as a hybrid. Messe can't serve efficiently in several roles. Messe is better than Guderian on inf when using base stats & no added skills  |
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Post by odm on Nov 16, 2017 15:26:18 GMT
I can't advise to get Tinoshenko, since, yeah, he has really good rank, but has limited potential and a bit too expansive to not be keeping him till the end.
So, as I did in my first time, if you can play really well and you also upgrade some tech and do a 1939 A rating conquest, you can get Vatutin as first general. While not the best, he is definitely a keeper and will help you finish WW2 europe and get Konev, which is a beast.
Otherwise, as the others have said, Leeb and Messe are fine choices; if you can, get Leeb since he is a keeper too.
If you don't have a lot of time to play, you might also consider getting a lot of cheap generals early just to do tasks. For this reason now I have Tito, Crerar and Messe.
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Post by lopicko on Nov 16, 2017 15:31:04 GMT
I recommend Leeb as i completed UN hard missions with him and got all 3 stars.
It is completely up to you as i have already completed my game.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 16, 2017 16:33:41 GMT
Max Otto von Stierlitz , @communist , Timoshenko is just Messe with more movement and bring no value to the team at all nor will you be using him for mid to late game missions. In addition Messe already starts with rumor and armored assault. Messe Hp: 120% Output: Inf: 13, Art: 4, Tank: 23, Air: 8, Navy: 4 Also he has Rumour. Crowd tactics have both gens, so it we don't compare. Timoshenko Hp: 138% (+18%) Inf: 23 (+10), Art: 23 (+19), Tank: 33 (+10), Air 4 (-4), Navy: 0 (-4) Also he has camouflage, which is worse than rumour. But assuming you will not upgrade these skills in early game, rumour 1 is not significantly better than camouflage 1. Besides that Timoshenko has 6 movement stars, which let him tom move 1-2 tiles more every turn, which is very important in scenarios. Timoshenko can be useful in art invasions and also better in inf invasions, while Messe is dedicated tank. As for me, I'm planning to leave him in my final lineup (for his 6 movement stars), and I'm now on NATO 6/WTO 6, and he's still gen, which is the most valuable for me (I have also Nimitz, Konev and Yamashita). With this set of gens by now I clear almost all invasions, some 12 medals worth I can't clear, some can. 10 and less medals invasions I can clear all. |
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Post by lopicko on Nov 16, 2017 17:12:52 GMT
Well i am not sure where you get your data from but on my screen.. Messe (120%) Initial Cost :550 medals Infantry : +13 attack----- Potential to 18 attack with medals Armor: +18 attack----- Potential to 24 attack with medals Air Force: +8 attack----- Potential to 13 attack with medals Artillery : +4 attack Navy: +4 attack----- Potential to 13 attack with medals Mobility: +0 mobility Timoshenko (138%) Initial Cost :1650 Infantry : +8 attack----- Potential to 13 attack with medals Armor: +18 attack Air Force: +4 attack Artillery : +8 attack Navy: +0 attack Mobility: +6 mobility Messe Armor assault 1 Rumor 1 Timoshenko Plain Fighting 3 Camouflage 1 Skill slot for additional skill. Both have crowd tactics Self Explanatory   andrei, odm, can you guys verify if my data is accurate? i am on IOS version |
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Post by odm on Nov 16, 2017 17:32:23 GMT
It is. The difference is due to the fact that he added +15 to every attack because he counted plain fighting in the sum (and disregarded Messe's armored assault, which on average will give him about +5 attack) Still Vatutin is better. IMO all high rank, reasonable cost generals are not worth getting since most of their medal cost is from rank, which can be upgraded indefinetely.
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Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Nov 16, 2017 17:37:17 GMT
It is. The difference is due to the fact that he added +15 to every attack because he counted plain fighting in the sum (and disregarded Messe's armored assault, which on average will give him about +5 attack) Still Vatutin is better. IMO all high rank, reasonable cost generals are not worth getting since most of their medal cost is from rank, which can be upgraded indefinetely. I have counted armour assault as 5. That's why Messe has 23 output for tank not 18. |
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Post by odm on Nov 16, 2017 17:39:21 GMT
My bad... you are right..
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Post by andrei on Nov 16, 2017 18:19:20 GMT
Speaking about hybrids like Timoshenko and Graziani it is more about preferences. Most players would like to use the best one like Guderian. It is more expensive and longer way, but You have feeling that You are using the best possible option  Some players prefer to complete scenarios faster (without IAP and/or necessity to grind a lot) so they hire capable hybrids and they are OK. |
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