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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Oct 24, 2019 14:03:22 GMT
Felt bad for Granziani tho. People often look to Timo as the best support + hybrid gen and ignore Granziani. Put Rumor and Crowd tactics on him and he will outshine Timo on all aspects except in marching which is upgradable in the tech tree. He will not only buff attacks of surrounding units but also heal everybody up + rumor the enemy. Why do yall love timo and hate this poor dude cuz he is the best hybrid + support gen in WC4 I think his biggest problem lies in his skills at the beginning and in his price. Tymoshenko costs about 1600 medals and comes with 6 stars in speed in addition to Crows Tactics, unlike Graziani, which costs 2285 and does not have so much speed, in addition to that you would have to put Crowd Tactics and Rumor manually, instead of just one as with Tymoshenko and another practical point of view to the Graziani vs Timoshenko debate I'm no timo expert cuz I dont use him for support, I prefer artillery generals like Arnold for support cuz no retaliation = no defeat of supporting general = more support = easier win |
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Post by Jeanne d'Arc on Nov 8, 2019 1:46:18 GMT
Oh, here's a good idea for a generals battle
GRAZIANI VS. ARNOLD
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Post by tristanknight on Feb 14, 2020 0:33:15 GMT
It might be just me, but Graziani feels more effective in a heavy tank than Guderian and Rommel do. Which is odd because he doesn't have rumor.
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Feb 14, 2020 2:05:09 GMT
It might be just me, but Graziani feels more effective in a heavy tank than Guderian and Rommel do. Which is odd because he doesn't have rumor. Effective? How so? |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Feb 14, 2020 2:06:50 GMT
Having constant survivability is useful, but in the context of Grazianis limited damage? Having him along with the others works too I guess, where he can lend a hand to your better offensive generals like rommel or guderian
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Post by tristanknight on Feb 14, 2020 2:22:32 GMT
Having constant survivability is useful, but in the context of Grazianis limited damage? Having him along with the others works too I guess, where he can lend a hand to your better offensive generals like rommel or guderian Actually I think his damage output is higher than the others. He can one shot two and even three stacked units on a consistent basis. I was playing Iran 1950 earlier and he wove his way to the Atlantic in Africa and played defense from heavy unit spam from Cuba, Spain, Mexico and Portugal. But this wasn't units in the water when I noticed this, it was about middle Africa when I really saw it, one shotting two stacked light tanks. I don't think I've ever had Guderian or Rommel do that. |
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Post by tristanknight on Feb 14, 2020 2:23:30 GMT
Having constant survivability is useful, but in the context of Grazianis limited damage? Having him along with the others works too I guess, where he can lend a hand to your better offensive generals like rommel or guderian After closer examination, I think his panzer leader skill triggers more often than Guderian and Rommel. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 8:59:20 GMT
In my 1939 conquest of Italy, Graziani was the first general to die 😛
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Feb 14, 2020 13:59:01 GMT
Having constant survivability is useful, but in the context of Grazianis limited damage? Having him along with the others works too I guess, where he can lend a hand to your better offensive generals like rommel or guderian After closer examination, I think his panzer leader skill triggers more often than Guderian and Rommel. Hold up, this is strange... perhaps its sheer circumstance and coincidence, raw damage wise the two are stronger, but when it comes down to a game of chance mostly they have equal probabilities |
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Post by tristanknight on Feb 14, 2020 14:09:34 GMT
After closer examination, I think his panzer leader skill triggers more often than Guderian and Rommel. Hold up, this is strange... perhaps its sheer circumstance and coincidence, raw damage wise the two are stronger, but when it comes down to a game of chance mostly they have equal probabilities Maybe something's broken? Or as you say, just coincidence. I can say that Graziani can dish out 400 damage sometimes when panzer leader triggers. I've never seen that from the other two generals. I even checked the medals, only one Graziani has is armored assault, which I don't think influences panzer leader? |
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Post by tristanknight on Feb 14, 2020 14:12:30 GMT
Oh snap it does. Why didn't I notice this before  |
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Post by tristanknight on Feb 14, 2020 14:13:44 GMT
I suppose I thought armored assault was the units half damaged one lol
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Feb 15, 2020 6:40:26 GMT
Does it influence panzer leader? Seems to me nothing can affect leader skills other than their respective medals hahaha
Graziani in this case does more damage to normal units than guderian (provided you dont give guderian a terrain bonus) due to mountain fighting, but has the same output as Rommel with desert fighting. But when it comes to hitting cities, guderian with explosives (the orthodox guderian) definitely outshines his rivals
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 7:41:10 GMT
Just noticed this. Timoshenko is a rank above this guy lol.
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 10, 2020 14:47:04 GMT
 Quality: 5/5 (Great! You would definitely want him in your end-game HQ) Cost effectiveness: 3/3 (cheap for his performance) Do not get him wrong! He is GREAT!! Believe me, I'm a general expert. Graziani is a very decent defensive and long surviving tank general (if not the best). However my number one defense tank general is Guderian, because I also give him machinist and it makes him perfect in every aspects. Graziani proves to be very effective at commanding armored units alone (he should NOT be a hybrid). He suplies 9 hp to your tank every turn and can be upgraded and given a medal to increase its machinist to 19 hp/turn. Even when he was fresh from the store with +9 hp/turn he is already super fantastic. Just calculate it, even if the average damage taken by Graziani is 90 hp/turn (which is highly unlikely), and he recovers 9 hp/turn, it means he is absorbing 10% of the damage taken from the battlefield, about equal to lv5 cover. That is ridiculous! You can level up his machinist and give it the medal to boost its already great performance (19hp/turn at max). Also he is MUCH better than Montgomery as (plain fighting is not good for defense that it doesn't cover any tank/artillery attacks, crossfire is inferior to armored assault, and elastic defense is basically useless in any circumstances). His other two skills are useful as well. In the mountain he gets a bonus attack from his skill and 20% coverage from enemy tank attack and 10% from enemy artillery. His ace forces also helps him level up quickly, therefore stronger and tougher. So putting him in low ranked (or even unranked) units is a good choice as he is able to survive and level up quickly. Believe me, Graziani is better than Rokossovsky (especially in the end games). He is comparable with Rommel. I sometimes use Graziani as my 2nd panzer to assist Guderian instead of Rommel. His price is also pretty cheap for his performance. For the two empty slots, I HIGHLY recommend rumor (obligatory) and armored assault (semi-obligatory). Because in the end game you must deal with the uncrackable terrorists. |
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