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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 21:29:19 GMT
About Graziani, however, I don’t plan at all in buying him. I used him various times in Italy 1939. He did nice, but wasn’t impressive. Thats an unupgraded graziani though. You can give him two good skills and he will heal very very quickly. Basically, if you use him on artillery, he will be very hard to kill But he’s too expensive. If he costed like 1700 medals I would understand. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 23:55:24 GMT
Thats an unupgraded graziani though. You can give him two good skills and he will heal very very quickly. Basically, if you use him on artillery, he will be very hard to kill But he’s too expensive. If he costed like 1700 medals I would understand. Agreed. Rokossovsky and Vatutins are some of the best price performing generals in the game. Heck they pretty much already have panzer leader lvl 3 right from the get go. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 23:57:24 GMT
Thats an unupgraded graziani though. You can give him two good skills and he will heal very very quickly. Basically, if you use him on artillery, he will be very hard to kill But he’s too expensive. If he costed like 1700 medals I would understand. Agreed. Many of the generals in wc4, yamashita, yamamoto, graziani, montgomery, donitz... can all be the best in their class. But they are so expensive to the point where they aren’t worth considering |
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Post by Jeanne d'Arc on Sept 15, 2019 16:23:39 GMT
That is where Vatutin, Halsey, Mannerheim, and Leeb come in.
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Post by Gone on Sept 18, 2019 22:50:41 GMT
That is where Vatutin, Halsey, Mannerheim, and Leeb come in. True. All four of them can last in end-game and are quite good. Though I believe Kuznetsov is more popular than Halsey because Nikolai starts with Level 3 Fleet Leader + Rumor + Sailor and has the same initial price as Halsey for a cheaper price. It’s not that much, but if Kuznetsov had Level 1 Fleet Leader, leveling it up to 3 would be Halsey's price if you add Kuz's purchase price. So you’re essentially paying less for more. Plus, air is practically useless in Cold-War and Modern War, so Halsey's Carpet Bombing won’t be of much use. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 21, 2019 22:48:00 GMT
That is where Vatutin, Halsey, Mannerheim, and Leeb come in. True. All four of them can last in end-game and are quite good. Though I believe Kuznetsov is more popular than Halsey because Nikolai starts with Level 3 Fleet Leader + Rumor + Sailor and has the same initial price as Halsey for a cheaper price. It’s not that much, but if Kuznetsov had Level 1 Fleet Leader, leveling it up to 3 would be Halsey's price if you add Kuz's purchase price. So you’re essentially paying less for more. Plus, air is practically useless in Cold-War and Modern War, so Halsey's Carpet Bombing won’t be of much use. Exactly. Giving halsey a rumor skill and lvl 3 fleet leader adds around 400 medals to his price. Halsey is solid, but trading 400 medals for an extra air star and lvl 2 carpet bombing isn’t really worth it. |
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Post by Gone on Sept 26, 2019 22:55:17 GMT
I still think Graziani is a good buy. Any general that can equip 3 medals that boost his skills deserves to at least have a good look at.
Although Blitzkrieg is a great skill, generals like Vatutin can fight without it and still come across as amazing. Graziani's potential lack of Blitzkrieg can at least be partially solved by his Machinist.
If you upgrade his Ace Forces and give him the medal, he can rank up incredibly quickly, reaching max rank in just a few turns.
Mountain Fighting is his least useful skill, but that’s just because many feel that going to a mountain is impractical. I see it more as an opportunity. If you have a chance to increase your performance, use it. Remember that mountains also give damage reduction to tanks. With Graziani's Mountain Fighting, he can improve both his attack and defense.
Plus, he’s also decent at Artillery, since Machinist also works for Artillery and he will be able to use his Mountain Fighting and Ace Forces. But I would do that only if you have to use Artillery generals over tank generals.
You won’t need him, but for those that are willing to use him, he will be like the most entertaining alternative to a top tank general you will ever see. Remember: Games are supposed to bring you fun. If you find a source of fun for you, use it. I believe that he will be a great alternative to Rokossovsky.
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Post by Gone on Sept 26, 2019 23:40:46 GMT
I always feel like hybrid discussions are about a group of people that use an underrated or overlooked-as-bad general because said general is actually a great alternative to a well-known top general, and that said people are rebelling against the majority that wants to use the conventional generals.
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Post by Jeanne d'Arc on Sept 28, 2019 19:42:35 GMT
I always feel like hybrid discussions are about a group of people that use an underrated or overlooked-as-bad general because said general is actually a great alternative to a well-known top general, and that said people are rebelling against the majority that wants to use the conventional generals. That is how I began plans for a non-Guderian run in WC4. |
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Post by Fedor von Bock on Sept 28, 2019 21:51:46 GMT
I always feel like hybrid discussions are about a group of people that use an underrated or overlooked-as-bad general because said general is actually a great alternative to a well-known top general, and that said people are rebelling against the majority that wants to use the conventional generals. That is how I began plans for a non-Guderian run in WC4. Sir, that would be very hard to achieve, without you I can barly finish WW2 section. |
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Post by Gone on Sept 28, 2019 22:48:06 GMT
That is how I began plans for a non-Guderian run in WC4. Sir, that would be very hard to achieve, without you I can barly finish WW2 section. Well, stoic once completed WC4 without Guderian, and did a thread about it. I believe he didn’t use IAPs of any kind, either. |
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Post by Jeanne d'Arc on Sept 29, 2019 1:02:14 GMT
This means 1 or 2 starring most missions then coming back later to mop the meat up.
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Post by wilhelmvonleeb on Oct 19, 2019 7:33:02 GMT
Felt bad for Granziani tho. People often look to Timo as the best support + hybrid gen and ignore Granziani. Put Rumor and Crowd tactics on him and he will outshine Timo on all aspects except in marching which is upgradable in the tech tree. He will not only buff attacks of surrounding units but also heal everybody up + rumor the enemy. Why do yall love timo and hate this poor dude cuz he is the best hybrid + support gen in WC4
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Post by thesir on Oct 22, 2019 0:03:32 GMT
Felt bad for Granziani tho. People often look to Timo as the best support + hybrid gen and ignore Granziani. Put Rumor and Crowd tactics on him and he will outshine Timo on all aspects except in marching which is upgradable in the tech tree. He will not only buff attacks of surrounding units but also heal everybody up + rumor the enemy. Why do yall love timo and hate this poor dude cuz he is the best hybrid + support gen in WC4 I think his biggest problem lies in his skills at the beginning and in his price. Tymoshenko costs about 1600 medals and comes with 6 stars in speed in addition to Crows Tactics, unlike Graziani, which costs 2285 and does not have so much speed, in addition to that you would have to put Crowd Tactics and Rumor manually, instead of just one as with Tymoshenko |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Oct 24, 2019 14:01:51 GMT
Felt bad for Granziani tho. People often look to Timo as the best support + hybrid gen and ignore Granziani. Put Rumor and Crowd tactics on him and he will outshine Timo on all aspects except in marching which is upgradable in the tech tree. He will not only buff attacks of surrounding units but also heal everybody up + rumor the enemy. Why do yall love timo and hate this poor dude cuz he is the best hybrid + support gen in WC4 if one is aiming for support, why would you need better defense and offense? Graziani seems like a more expensive timoshenko that is slower (even with maxed tech tree) but more suited for attacking the enemy. I reckon support generals perform best on the offense where after your primary offensive generals apply rumor your support general can finish the enemy off with his rumor for the enemy to become confused. In this case, offensive capabilities other than rumor are not that significant for your support general, since the bulk of the damage will be dealt by your main offensive generals like Konev or Manstein, and the supporting generals' main objective is to maximize its own movement capabilities (which is why timo, with full stars, is one of the best) in order to catch up with your main generals for constant support. And the healing skill graziani has (mechanist) only heals his own unit, i.e. it is not a splash effect skill) |
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