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Post by andrei on Oct 11, 2017 10:46:05 GMT
Aces - Yamashito, Vasilevskiy or Nimitz Mountain (Jungle, Desert) - Mannerheim, Rommel, Govorov So it is only one useless medal , which is Machinist/Replacement  And in any case Machinist is not the best skill taking into account the amount of overall HP of the stacked units. But he can use all 3 of them at the same time :0) Of course, if such a large group of general's is in mind, there is no needs for Graziani... I on the other hand plan to use a limited number. mentioned that we need whole team - 12 generals - to complete some missions. I believe him |
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Post by stoic on Oct 11, 2017 10:55:05 GMT
But he can use all 3 of them at the same time :0) Of course, if such a large group of general's is in mind, there is no needs for Graziani... I on the other hand plan to use a limited number. mentioned that we need whole team - 12 generals - to complete some missions. I believe him It will be more interesting to try, then :0) |
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Post by Tadamichi Kuribayashi on Oct 11, 2017 11:30:38 GMT
I should probably buy Graziani so he can serve my troops lasagna when they go defend Iwo Jima.
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 11, 2017 14:07:27 GMT
But he can use all 3 of them at the same time :0) Of course, if such a large group of general's is in mind, there is no needs for Graziani... I on the other hand plan to use a limited number. mentioned that we need whole team - 12 generals - to complete some missions. I believe him You can use up to 12 generals in some exercises down the line. Exercise in the Hudson and Exercise in Straight if Gibraltar (currently bugged) allow the use of 12 generals. I think I used 9 or 10 hoping I could save and use a couple more after taking a city and building more units. Strategy changed as it wasn’t practical to build more units, so I didn’t use them all. It would certainly have been a little easier if I’d assigned some generals (even without appropriate skills) to more naval units just for the additional HP. You can pass the mission with 9, but 12 would be a lot easier. |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 11, 2017 14:36:25 GMT
Graziani is perfectly viable. There are better tank generals available, but if you like him and have fun with him, use him.
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Oct 13, 2017 12:32:47 GMT
While it is true, that he can be a great hybrid, he is not that good at anything and best bronze tier generals can take him out on anything he is on. Well, that is a destiny of all hybrids - to dig wide but not deep, and be sometimes indispensable nevertheless... Unless you are me in EU4 B-) |
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Post by stoic on Oct 13, 2017 12:49:06 GMT
Well, that is a destiny of all hybrids - to dig wide but not deep, and be sometimes indispensable nevertheless... Unless you are me in EU4 B-) There was a hot discussion: who was the best hybrid in EW4. Now offens but I was on Berthie's side :0) |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Oct 13, 2017 13:47:36 GMT
Isn't Berthier the cav general in disguise? How can he be a better hybrid than me? Also, to get back to topic, I just dont see how Graziani can be effective because for every job he can do, someone else can do it better, and you get so many slots for generals in this game I think it is silly to use him. I would get Rokossowski or even Timoshenko before I consider him.
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Post by stoic on Oct 13, 2017 14:04:04 GMT
Isn't Berthier the cav general in disguise? How can he be a better hybrid than me? Also, to get back to topic, I just dont see how Graziani can be effective because for every job he can do, someone else can do it better, and you get so many slots for generals in this game I think it is silly to use him. I would get Rokossowski or even Timoshenko before I consider him. It maybe silly when you have all slots full of great Commanders. But until that you have something to do with your small team... For daily Invasions only (!) you need Infantry general, Navy general, Artillery general and at the pinnacle - Panzer general. Graziani alone can fill in the gaps in your team for quite a long time. If someone makes decision to buy IAP generals - then he can avoid this problem altogether. Graziani has no future in their teams. But Graziani is good enough for those players who will be playing for weeks (if not months) without a full squad... Ps. One of the best Cav generals in disguise, quite decent Art. General and last but not least 4 stars in trade. And he is not IAP. I've completely forgotten my other arguments :0) :0) :0) |
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Post by Józef Poniatowski on Oct 13, 2017 18:52:09 GMT
Well graziani lacks output in all forms, like Berthier, and as such I cannot recommend either, they are both bad. Graziani's healing works only on mechanical units, where the bonus in miniscule. Ace Forces does provide a damage boost as the unit levels in in experience, but if it only helps output marginally and after a unit has been in combat and probably taken damage, why choose it over a unit specific skill? I think there are much better soviet or american choices for a 2-unit hybrid than graziani, and berthier is no contest for a hybrid, his skills are cav and cav only, so he is not as good as any artillery general, and takes a ridiculous amount of medals to farm up to level in calvary, making him more of a meme or super endgame choice in my opinion
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Post by stoic on Oct 13, 2017 20:57:24 GMT
Well graziani lacks output in all forms, like Berthier, and as such I cannot recommend either, they are both bad. Graziani's healing works only on mechanical units, where the bonus in miniscule. Ace Forces does provide a damage boost as the unit levels in in experience, but if it only helps output marginally and after a unit has been in combat and probably taken damage, why choose it over a unit specific skill? I think there are much better soviet or american choices for a 2-unit hybrid than graziani, and berthier is no contest for a hybrid, his skills are cav and cav only, so he is not as good as any artillery general, and takes a ridiculous amount of medals to farm up to level in calvary, making him more of a meme or super endgame choice in my opinion Well, one good thing about ET games is that opinions and reality do not always coincide. I completed EW4 with Berthie as main force, so theoretical considerations are secondary in this case. I used him as Art general at times and he was my trader. If that's is not up to your standards to be a hybrid, - let it be so :0) I'm not yet sure wether or not Graziani can play some important role in my team. Only time can tell. I gave my reasons and I never insisted that Graziani is great :0) I can see his abilities as well as any other forum member:0) But I'm sure that his skills including Ace forces and Machinist need to be tested in battle before we make certain conclusions. They say in chess: there is no attacking or defensive style, but only winning or losing style. My previous experience says that there are many possible ways to achieve goals in ET games. And I will definitely hire Graziani now, simply out of curiosity. No one is bound to do the same :0) |
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Post by soonerjbd on Oct 13, 2017 22:04:56 GMT
I’m sure you could find a use for him. I’m curious to see how well a max Machinist plays with the medal. I have the medal but have not adopted the ability for any of my generals. I’m guessing it will make a general feel rather invincible if you can gonpark him in a city with good supply depot and maybe a field hospital for a few turns. You’d be looking at more than 50hp regenerated per turn in a city with a field hospital, level three supply depot and max Machinist ability.
That said, is Graziani an optimal choice? Doubtful. At least through 1950 conquests and Cold War scenarios, there are better tank commanders available who will help you complete objectives faster.
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Post by best75 on Oct 13, 2017 22:06:10 GMT
Well graziani lacks output in all forms, like Berthier, and as such I cannot recommend either, they are both bad. Graziani's healing works only on mechanical units, where the bonus in miniscule. Ace Forces does provide a damage boost as the unit levels in in experience, but if it only helps output marginally and after a unit has been in combat and probably taken damage, why choose it over a unit specific skill? I think there are much better soviet or american choices for a 2-unit hybrid than graziani, and berthier is no contest for a hybrid, his skills are cav and cav only, so he is not as good as any artillery general, and takes a ridiculous amount of medals to farm up to level in calvary, making him more of a meme or super endgame choice in my opinion Well, one good thing about ET games is that opinions and reality do not always coincide. I completed EW4 with Berthie as main force, so theoretical considerations are secondary in this case. I used him as Art general at times and he was my trader. If that's is not up to your standards to be a hybrid, - let it be so :0) I'm not yet sure wether or not Graziani can play some important role in my team. Only time can tell. I gave my reasons and I never insisted that Graziani is great :0) I can see his abilities as well as any other forum member:0) But I'm sure that his skills including Ace forces and Machinist need to be tested in battle before we make certain conclusions. They say in chess: there is no attacking or defensive style, but only winning or losing style. My previous experience says that there are many possible ways to achieve goals in ET games. And I will definitely hire Graziani now, simply out of curiosity. No one is bound to do the same :0) Well it looks you are taking one for the team than by getting Graziani. If Graziani ever turns out to be a viable option than we will have you to thank for. |
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Post by stoic on Oct 14, 2017 1:42:35 GMT
Well, one good thing about ET games is that opinions and reality do not always coincide. I completed EW4 with Berthie as main force, so theoretical considerations are secondary in this case. I used him as Art general at times and he was my trader. If that's is not up to your standards to be a hybrid, - let it be so :0) I'm not yet sure wether or not Graziani can play some important role in my team. Only time can tell. I gave my reasons and I never insisted that Graziani is great :0) I can see his abilities as well as any other forum member:0) But I'm sure that his skills including Ace forces and Machinist need to be tested in battle before we make certain conclusions. They say in chess: there is no attacking or defensive style, but only winning or losing style. My previous experience says that there are many possible ways to achieve goals in ET games. And I will definitely hire Graziani now, simply out of curiosity. No one is bound to do the same :0) Well it looks you are taking one for the team than by getting Graziani. If Graziani ever turns out to be a viable option than we will have you to thank for. And if not... Well, I can always receive 80% back. Good deal! :0) |
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Post by stoic on Oct 14, 2017 1:59:43 GMT
I’m sure you could find a use for him. I’m curious to see how well a max Machinist plays with the medal. I have the medal but have not adopted the ability for any of my generals. I’m guessing it will make a general feel rather invincible if you can gonpark him in a city with good supply depot and maybe a field hospital for a few turns. You’d be looking at more than 50hp regenerated per turn in a city with a field hospital, level three supply depot and max Machinist ability. That said, is Graziani an optimal choice? Doubtful. At least through 1950 conquests and Cold War scenarios, there are better tank commanders available who will help you complete objectives faster. Doubtful indeed. But it never was my point. I formulated my position at the very beginning of this thread. I will try to find use for Graziani within those limited conditions. I never said that he is a shining star. All what I'm waiting is how good he can fill in the gaps in my team before I can hire top players for every position. So the question is wether or not this approach is valid and viable... |
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