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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 11, 2020 14:58:31 GMT
I have been thinking, is rundstendt the perfect econ general. He is super cheap at 1100 medals if I remember correctly, and you can give him both the industrial and technology skills plus medals. He’ll quickly build up your economy. Dowding is pretty good but imo the extra industrial makes the greater difference, although Dowding is a great airforce general. What do you think guys? Nah. Rundstedt (1300 medals) needs raider and infantry leader or else he'll be very terrible. Plus if you want a guy stationed in a city, you'll want high level of air force which needs to be BOUGHT on him. Just give Dowding either industrial or technology expert and he'll still do outstanding as an econ gen. |
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Post by mrmansterin on Jun 17, 2020 19:14:23 GMT
So who should I get? Mannerheim vs Rundstedt? And should I make getting an inf general a low priority? (I'm thinking of getting Arnold as my air general next.)
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 17, 2020 23:14:56 GMT
So who should I get? Mannerheim vs Rundstedt? And should I make getting an inf general a low priority? (I'm thinking of getting Arnold as my air general next.) Mannerheim is much better than Rundstedt, so I'd say go for him, but yes infantry generals should be a low priority, since they usually don't last long in combat anyway, damage increase has only a marginal benefit. Go for Arnold first. |
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 18, 2020 17:22:33 GMT
So who should I get? Mannerheim vs Rundstedt? And should I make getting an inf general a low priority? (I'm thinking of getting Arnold as my air general next.) Mannerheim is much better than Rundstedt, so I'd say go for him, but yes infantry generals should be a low priority, since they usually don't last long in combat anyway, damage increase has only a marginal benefit. Go for Arnold first. lol. Use a infantry gen in 1980 and watch them get one shot by Wagner. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 18, 2020 22:18:12 GMT
Mannerheim is much better than Rundstedt, so I'd say go for him, but yes infantry generals should be a low priority, since they usually don't last long in combat anyway, damage increase has only a marginal benefit. Go for Arnold first. lol. Use a infantry gen in 1980 and watch them get one shot by Wagner. Imagine using an infantry general in ... general. |
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Post by steelixir on Jun 19, 2020 14:15:19 GMT
They are much better in earlier year conquest when god tanks aren’t very prominent
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 19, 2020 15:54:42 GMT
They are much better in earlier year conquest when god tanks aren’t very prominent True but they still get wrecked by Vatutin, Guderian, and etc. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jun 20, 2020 9:35:10 GMT
So who should I get? Mannerheim vs Rundstedt? And should I make getting an inf general a low priority? (I'm thinking of getting Arnold as my air general next.) Honestly, rather than choosing 1 pure inf gen, I'd recommend the arty-hybrid gen, Konev. He's cheap, he's useful on inf and he always has a spot as an arty gen. The pure inf gens on the other hand would lose out on flexibility and inf is the weakest troop type in this game. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 20, 2020 10:41:06 GMT
As always, infantry gens should always be endgame considerations, i.e. dont consider them until all your generals are secured
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Jun 24, 2020 7:23:23 GMT
Quality: 5/5
Cost efficiency: 3/3 (cheap for his performance)
Rundstedt is my number 1 choice for infantry. Not only that he's very cheap, but his air stars put him ahead of Yamashita on my personal list. As a pure infantry general, Yamashita might be slightly ahead of him, but I also consider his air stars because it's always good to have your land generals equipped with some air stars.
His most important abilities are infantry 6/6, air force 2/5, movement 2/4, and tank 3/3. Other than infantry he can provide some air supports, and his movement isn't bad either (only one point bellow Yamashita). He can also be an emergency tank to protect a city while giving some air supports.
His skills are guerrilla lv1, street fighting lv1, and elastic defense lv1. Guerrilla is very important and vital for infantries as they can't take too much damage and can easily be cracked by tanks. Street fighting is not that useful but okay. Elastic defense is practically useless.
His role would be to crack fortresses and cities while resisting counter-attacks with guerrilla, injecting rumors, eliminating small enemies while stationed in cities (while other units can freely advance), providing air supports while healing on cities, and other supporting roles. He can also be a nice starter general when using countries with commandos.
Compared to Yamashita, his guerrilla, raider, and rumor would be the same (since I intend to have all guerrilla, raider, and rumor for my only infantry gen). So the only difference would only be Rundstedt's street fighting and elastic, and Yamashita's bayonet charge and ace forces. Since I'm not a big fan of ace forces, I wouldn't put it far ahead of elastic defense. Street fighting and bayonet charge are basically almost equal (one could be better than another depending on the circumstances).
For his empty slots I recommend raider (+ medal) and rumor. Don't forget to upgrade his guerrilla.
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 24, 2020 14:06:00 GMT
Quality: 5/5 Cost efficiency: 3/3 (cheap for his performance) Rundstedt is my number 1 choice for infantry. Not only that he's very cheap, but his air stars put him ahead of Yamashita on my personal list. As a pure infantry general, Yamashita might be slightly ahead of him, but I also consider his air stars because it's always good to have your land generals equipped with some air stars. His most important abilities are infantry 6/6, air force 2/5, movement 2/4, and tank 3/3. Other than infantry he can provide some air supports, and his movement isn't bad either (only one point bellow Yamashita). He can also be an emergency tank to protect a city while giving some air supports. His skills are guerrilla lv1, street fighting lv1, and elastic defense lv1. Guerrilla is very important and vital for infantries as they can't take too much damage and can easily be cracked by tanks. Street fighting is not that useful but okay. Elastic defense is practically useless. His role would be to crack fortresses and cities while resisting counter-attacks with guerrilla, injecting rumors, eliminating small enemies while stationed in cities (while other units can freely advance), providing air supports while healing on cities, and other supporting roles. He can also be a nice starter general when using countries with commandos. Compared to Yamashita, his guerrilla, raider, and rumor would be the same (since I intend to have all guerrilla, raider, and rumor for my only infantry gen). So the only difference would only be Rundstedt's street fighting and elastic, and Yamashita's bayonet charge and ace forces. Since I'm not a big fan of ace forces, I wouldn't put it far ahead of elastic defense. Street fighting and bayonet charge are basically almost equal (one could be better than another depending on the circumstances). For his empty slots I recommend raider (+ medal) and rumor. Don't forget to upgrade his guerrilla. Umm. But for Rundstedt to be considered "good", it's going to take A LOT of medals. Just think about getting raider & rumor/infantry leader and upgrading it. Infantry is terrible in this game and I would rather spend all those medals on a tank/arty/naval generals. That's why I say Mannerheim is superior. He has raider level 3 STARTING out and you can give him infantry leader 2 and dump the IL medal, raider medal, and terrain medal to make him an amazing general especially in forest. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 24, 2020 14:32:21 GMT
If we are to even consider infantry generals' prices, then the obvious winner will be Konev as a hybrid haha
Price wise, Rundstedt is cheaper than Mannerheim, but thing it is he more useful? I doubt street fighting and elastic defence can do much, though Mannerheim has the latter too.
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Jun 24, 2020 14:40:16 GMT
The thing I don't like about WC4 is that there's no actual city fighting, like no house-to-house fighting similar to what was done in Stalingrad and Berlin. Instead of just having one fortified city, they should have a swarm of lower-classed cities bunched together, which would make defence-oriented generals at least somewhat viable.
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Jun 24, 2020 15:26:39 GMT
Quality: 5/5 Cost efficiency: 3/3 (cheap for his performance) Rundstedt is my number 1 choice for infantry. Not only that he's very cheap, but his air stars put him ahead of Yamashita on my personal list. As a pure infantry general, Yamashita might be slightly ahead of him, but I also consider his air stars because it's always good to have your land generals equipped with some air stars. His most important abilities are infantry 6/6, air force 2/5, movement 2/4, and tank 3/3. Other than infantry he can provide some air supports, and his movement isn't bad either (only one point bellow Yamashita). He can also be an emergency tank to protect a city while giving some air supports. His skills are guerrilla lv1, street fighting lv1, and elastic defense lv1. Guerrilla is very important and vital for infantries as they can't take too much damage and can easily be cracked by tanks. Street fighting is not that useful but okay. Elastic defense is practically useless. His role would be to crack fortresses and cities while resisting counter-attacks with guerrilla, injecting rumors, eliminating small enemies while stationed in cities (while other units can freely advance), providing air supports while healing on cities, and other supporting roles. He can also be a nice starter general when using countries with commandos. Compared to Yamashita, his guerrilla, raider, and rumor would be the same (since I intend to have all guerrilla, raider, and rumor for my only infantry gen). So the only difference would only be Rundstedt's street fighting and elastic, and Yamashita's bayonet charge and ace forces. Since I'm not a big fan of ace forces, I wouldn't put it far ahead of elastic defense. Street fighting and bayonet charge are basically almost equal (one could be better than another depending on the circumstances). For his empty slots I recommend raider (+ medal) and rumor. Don't forget to upgrade his guerrilla. Umm. But for Rundstedt to be considered "good", it's going to take A LOT of medals. Just think about getting raider & rumor/infantry leader and upgrading it. Infantry is terrible in this game and I would rather spend all those medals on a tank/arty/naval generals. That's why I say Mannerheim is superior. He has raider level 3 STARTING out and you can give him infantry leader 2 and dump the IL medal, raider medal, and terrain medal to make him an amazing general especially in forest. He is only 1380, very cheap, so you can save the medals to upgrade him. What I don't like from Mannerheim are elastic defense (although Rundstedt's no different), and he only has one empty slot. To me, raider, guerrilla, and rumor are obligatory on infantry considering their role in the battle field. So it only leaves me with 2 choices: Rundstedt or Yamashita. Mannerheim is too reckless, he doesn't have any defensive skills. |
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Post by Mr. Beast on Jun 24, 2020 16:07:59 GMT
Umm. But for Rundstedt to be considered "good", it's going to take A LOT of medals. Just think about getting raider & rumor/infantry leader and upgrading it. Infantry is terrible in this game and I would rather spend all those medals on a tank/arty/naval generals. That's why I say Mannerheim is superior. He has raider level 3 STARTING out and you can give him infantry leader 2 and dump the IL medal, raider medal, and terrain medal to make him an amazing general especially in forest. He is only 1380, very cheap, so you can save the medals to upgrade him. What I don't like from Mannerheim are elastic defense (although Rundstedt's no different), and he only has one empty slot. To me, raider, guerrilla, and rumor are obligatory on infantry considering their role in the battle field. So it only leaves me with 2 choices: Rundstedt or Yamashita. Mannerheim is too reckless, he doesn't have any defensive skills. Well you can give Mannerheim guerilla or rumor. The thing about guerilla is, you would never want to leave your infantry gen in a place that you would need guerilla (like in front of a heavy tank) so I personally don't like it that much. What I want on infantry is insane damage so I can wreck cities and infantries easily which Mannerheim does well with jungle fighting and high level of raider. Anyways the only places I'm going to use infantry generals are invasions and conquests. Mannerheim=More offensive Rundstedt=More defensive |
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