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Post by Gone on Oct 16, 2019 18:42:00 GMT
I finally have a maxed Masséna.  |
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Post by Gone on Oct 16, 2019 19:11:41 GMT
Gave mine the iron cross, +20% crit medal you get from 1806 conquest. Its really good. What else can be said that has already been about said countless times of Massena. He is ok but can only get prince. Let's go on . Nah. The other gold-tiers that rank higher than Prince all have worse skills than Massena, with the exception of Karl. |
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Post by SolidLight on Oct 16, 2019 19:35:49 GMT
He is not ok. He is the second best infantry general in the game. Saying washington or someone similar is superior is simply false The difference between prince to king is not all that significant. You lose 8 battle ability, which is nothing, and 4% defense. You can still have lvl 5 skills which is whats important, especially for aura buff. Yes, that’s the most important part. Washington has higher output and defense, but 2/5 of his skills are meh and his lack of Aura makes him less efficient when your using a team of Infantry generals, which you probably will in challenges where cavalry is banned. I just don't get why you and Paulus keep going with that "oh 2/5 of his skills are garbage" argument. Look at Mahmud II, He has only 3 "good" skills, just as many as Washington does, but is still considered to be one of the best artillerymen in the game. And yeah, Massena is better than Washington because Washington can only fight, and fighting with infantry is a joke. Survivability is also not useful when thats the only thing you can do. |
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Post by SolidLight on Oct 16, 2019 19:36:42 GMT
I finally have a maxed Masséna. Congrats. I still haven't maxed mine. |
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Post by Gone on Oct 16, 2019 19:37:38 GMT
I finally have a maxed Masséna. Congrats. I still haven't maxed mine. Thanks. It’s worth it though. |
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Post by Gone on Oct 16, 2019 19:44:50 GMT
Yes, that’s the most important part. Washington has higher output and defense, but 2/5 of his skills are meh and his lack of Aura makes him less efficient when your using a team of Infantry generals, which you probably will in challenges where cavalry is banned. I just don't get why you and Paulus keep going with that "oh 2/5 of his skills are garbage" argument. Look at Mahmud II, He has only 3 "good" skills, just as many as Washington does, but is still considered to be one of the best artillerymen in the game. And yeah, Massena is better than Washington because Washington can only fight, and fighting with infantry is a joke. Survivability is also not useful when thats the only thing you can do. To start, Mahmud II and Washington have different roles, so you can’t compare them. |
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Post by SolidLight on Oct 16, 2019 19:57:01 GMT
I just don't get why you and Paulus keep going with that "oh 2/5 of his skills are garbage" argument. Look at Mahmud II, He has only 3 "good" skills, just as many as Washington does, but is still considered to be one of the best artillerymen in the game. And yeah, Massena is better than Washington because Washington can only fight, and fighting with infantry is a joke. Survivability is also not useful when thats the only thing you can do. To start, Mahmud II and Washington have different roles, so you can’t compare them. There's lots of other reasons why Mahmud is great (at his role) while Washington is only decent (at his role). That Washington "has 2/5 garbage skills" isn't one of them. I've seen that argument countless times and it's a little pet peeve of mine, sorry. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 16, 2019 22:56:53 GMT
Yes, that’s the most important part. Washington has higher output and defense, but 2/5 of his skills are meh and his lack of Aura makes him less efficient when your using a team of Infantry generals, which you probably will in challenges where cavalry is banned. I just don't get why you and Paulus keep going with that "oh 2/5 of his skills are garbage" argument. Look at Mahmud II, He has only 3 "good" skills, just as many as Washington does, but is still considered to be one of the best artillerymen in the game. And yeah, Massena is better than Washington because Washington can only fight, and fighting with infantry is a joke. Survivability is also not useful when thats the only thing you can do. True, but one’s an aura, the other is salvo, and the last one is a crit skill. I do agree with the logic. But don’t forget the alternatives, John who has 3 1/2 good skills but not aura, and really, and sophia, who is solid but is preferred as a palance princess. This means the only other alternatives to mahmud ii are scharnhorst and maria. I don’t know if I made this clear but I do like the skill “ambush” so washington has 4/5. Its just that barclay has aura which I consider + 2 good skills in my criteria, he also has tunnel which is good for sieging. Speaking of which @kev1n, if you need 2 infantry generals, why not get karl and massena, a well known combo, instead of bismarck/lannes + massena. With aura, neither of them will hit lightly against a city. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Oct 16, 2019 22:57:32 GMT
I finally have a maxed Masséna. That was fast lol. I almost have a maxed napoleon. |
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Post by Gone on Oct 26, 2019 23:07:38 GMT
I finally have a maxed Masséna. That was fast lol. I almost have a maxed napoleon. Mine is maxed, too. Will post it in Napoleon thread. |
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Post by Gone on Nov 2, 2019 15:44:46 GMT
SolidLight, would it be a good idea to give Massena the Infantry Master medal? I’m thinking on giving him that medal and giving Barclay the 10% critical medal.
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Post by SolidLight on Nov 2, 2019 15:47:52 GMT
SolidLight, would it be a good idea to give Massena the Infantry Master medal? I’m thinking on giving him that medal and giving Barclay the 10% critical medal. It’s fine either way. One of those two are definetly going to hold the Infantry Master medal since Karl gets the forest one and there’s not a lot of other options for them. |
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Post by Gone on Nov 2, 2019 16:06:20 GMT
SolidLight , would it be a good idea to give Massena the Infantry Master medal? I’m thinking on giving him that medal and giving Barclay the 10% critical medal. It’s fine either way. One of those two are definetly going to hold the Infantry Master medal since Karl gets the forest one and there’s not a lot of other options for them. I feel like Massena is better for the Infantry Master Medal since it’s a better medal than the 10% Critical chance one and Massena is stronger than Barclay, which means I will be using him much more often. |
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Post by Gone on Nov 9, 2019 14:54:42 GMT
True. Tunnel and Inspiration are both not bad skills, as they contribute to high output. Tunnel is kind of like how explosives was in Wc3. The only thing masséna lacks is a terrain bonus, which is forgiveable. Tunnel is an amazing skill. Makes Massena very powerful on Grenadiers and Old Guards. Inspiration is decent. And thankfully that lack of terrain bonus is forgivable. |
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Post by SolidLight on Nov 9, 2019 15:36:01 GMT
True. Tunnel and Inspiration are both not bad skills, as they contribute to high output. Tunnel is kind of like how explosives was in Wc3. The only thing masséna lacks is a terrain bonus, which is forgiveable. Tunnel is an amazing skill. Makes Massena very powerful on Grenadiers and Old Guards. Inspiration is decent. And thankfully that lack of terrain bonus is forgivable. It’s exactly that he lacks a terrain skill that is the reason I’m not the biggest fan of Massena. That’s +25% atk he’s missing out on, huge. Lannes and Bismarck sieges better than he does. He also has some surviability issues I don’t like either. My dream infantry general would probably have something like Assault, Ambush, Tunnel, Plain and inf master. |
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