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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 27, 2021 5:01:53 GMT
I came up with another solution for this. Actually the most decisive battle was Battle of Kiev because it stalled the attack on Moscow, giving the Soviets time to prepare a defence and let the winter come. If the Axis could advance, like maybe some 30 (?) km then they could've captured Moscow. I don't think it was decisive. It did stopped them, but albeit, in the last minute. So I think Battle of Moscow is itself decisive. Maybe I didn't understand your point, but the Germans were much over 30km from Moscow when Budjonni was encircled. And the thing is at one point Žukov said the roads to Moscow are open and there is nothing to fill the hole with. The Soviets lacked material in front of Moscow, without battle of Kiev, Germany could have more forces and advance before autumn would slow them down. |
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Post by John Marston on Aug 27, 2021 5:04:31 GMT
If the Axis could advance, like maybe some 30 (?) km then they could've captured Moscow. I don't think it was decisive. It did stopped them, but albeit, in the last minute. So I think Battle of Moscow is itself decisive. Maybe I didn't understand your point, but the Germans were much over 30km from Moscow when Budjonni was encircled. And the thing is at one point Žukov said the roads to Moscow are open and there is nothing to fill the hole with. The Soviets lacked material in front of Moscow, without battle of Kiev, Germany could have more forces and advance before autumn would slow them down. Much over 30km?  But I've heard that one SS division came so close to Moscow that they even saw the Spirals of the Kremlin. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Aug 27, 2021 5:07:33 GMT
Maybe I didn't understand your point, but the Germans were much over 30km from Moscow when Budjonni was encircled. And the thing is at one point Žukov said the roads to Moscow are open and there is nothing to fill the hole with. The Soviets lacked material in front of Moscow, without battle of Kiev, Germany could have more forces and advance before autumn would slow them down. Much over 30km? But I've heard that one SS division came so close to Moscow that they even saw the Spirals of the Kremlin. Yeah, that's true, but that was after Battle of Kiev. I may be incorrect as well though. |
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But I've heard that one SS division came so close to Moscow that they even saw the Spirals of the Kremlin.
