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Post by unagok on Jun 2, 2023 8:17:30 GMT
Because many legions are able to attack 3 times nowadays. But their mobility is a disadvantage. With Dragoons you may attack 4-5 times per turn, not 3. Regarding MA, the unit itself is still quite good, but there is no place for him in the βidealβ legion. For those, who like βRepeated fireβ, Ravenna has it hoo, and stats+skills of 5lvl Ravenna may be even better than MA skills.   90% dodge vs 0% dodge seems to make just a tiny bit of a difference, doesnβt it? Ranged cav>>> |
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Post by stoic on Jun 2, 2023 9:29:49 GMT
Because many legions are able to attack 3 times nowadays. But their mobility is a disadvantage. With Dragoons you may attack 4-5 times per turn, not 3. Regarding MA, the unit itself is still quite good, but there is no place for him in the βidealβ legion. For those, who like βRepeated fireβ, Ravenna has it hoo, and stats+skills of 5lvl Ravenna may be even better than MA skills. After 3 attacks Conquistadors restore 3 mobility, so, any ranged legion with them has the fourth attack if it stands still. So, they are hardly worse than Dragoons if not for their poor mobility. Concerning comparison between Mamlukes and Dragoons I am still not sure it is a wise move to invest in Dragoons at the moment. There will be next levels of upgrades and Mamlukes (as well as some other t6 units) with high degree of probability will receive another skill. Before we know it and are able to evaluate it properly, it is premature to declare a paradigm/meta shift, I think. |
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Post by kingbutawl on Jun 2, 2023 10:23:10 GMT
With Dragoons you may attack 4-5 times per turn, not 3. Regarding MA, the unit itself is still quite good, but there is no place for him in the βidealβ legion. For those, who like βRepeated fireβ, Ravenna has it hoo, and stats+skills of 5lvl Ravenna may be even better than MA skills. After 3 attacks Conquistadors restore 3 mobility, so, any ranged legion with them has the fourth attack if it stands still. So, they are hardly worse than Dragoons if not for their poor mobility. Concerning comparison between Mamlukes and Dragoons I am still not sure it is a wise move to invest in Dragoons at the moment. There will be next levels of upgrades and Mamlukes (as well as some other t6 units) with high degree of probability will receive another skill. Before we know it and are able to evaluate it properly, it is premature to declare a paradigm/meta shift, I think. I donβt mind conquistadors have 9 mobility, because I will always use them on ElCid with rapid march. Somehow they buffed el Campeador  |
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Post by nexttimebro on Jun 2, 2023 11:14:24 GMT
After 3 attacks Conquistadors restore 3 mobility, so, any ranged legion with them has the fourth attack if it stands still. So, they are hardly worse than Dragoons if not for their poor mobility. Concerning comparison between Mamlukes and Dragoons I am still not sure it is a wise move to invest in Dragoons at the moment. There will be next levels of upgrades and Mamlukes (as well as some other t6 units) with high degree of probability will receive another skill. Before we know it and are able to evaluate it properly, it is premature to declare a paradigm/meta shift, I think. Ok, look. How do you use your MA? Something like MA+MR+Conquistadors? If yes, this combination is much weaker than IBC+MR+Conquistadors because the first unit (MA in your case) has 15-20% less defensive stats than IBC, and consequently, your whole legion receive more dmg than with IBC. |
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Post by anastasios on Jun 2, 2023 12:03:04 GMT
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Post by stoic on Jun 2, 2023 14:08:23 GMT
After 3 attacks Conquistadors restore 3 mobility, so, any ranged legion with them has the fourth attack if it stands still. So, they are hardly worse than Dragoons if not for their poor mobility. Concerning comparison between Mamlukes and Dragoons I am still not sure it is a wise move to invest in Dragoons at the moment. There will be next levels of upgrades and Mamlukes (as well as some other t6 units) with high degree of probability will receive another skill. Before we know it and are able to evaluate it properly, it is premature to declare a paradigm/meta shift, I think. Ok, look. How do you use your MA? Something like MA+MR+Conquistadors? If yes, this combination is much weaker than IBC+MR+Conquistadors because the first unit (MA in your case) has 15-20% less defensive stats than IBC, and consequently, your whole legion receive more dmg than with IBC. I don't use MA at all but simply because their level is insufficient. My point was that you can't judge a book by its cover. I mean it's just to early to speak about endgame lineups before endgame content is released. So, before upgrading Dragoons (a very expensive unit to upgrade) I would rather wait and make my mind afterwards. And I wouldn't recommend to anyone such drastic change like dropping out Mamlukes and replace them with someone else before we know for sure that it is the best course of action. |
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Post by flebowski on Jun 2, 2023 16:47:19 GMT
After 3 attacks Conquistadors restore 3 mobility, so, any ranged legion with them has the fourth attack if it stands still. So, they are hardly worse than Dragoons if not for their poor mobility. Concerning comparison between Mamlukes and Dragoons I am still not sure it is a wise move to invest in Dragoons at the moment. There will be next levels of upgrades and Mamlukes (as well as some other t6 units) with high degree of probability will receive another skill. Before we know it and are able to evaluate it properly, it is premature to declare a paradigm/meta shift, I think. I donβt mind conquistadors have 9 mobility, because I will always use them on ElCid with rapid march. Somehow they buffed el Campeador What is your legion composition for El Cid?
I'm far from getting conquistadors 5th skill, but I wonder how is the best way to implement them in a legion.
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Post by nexttimebro on Jun 2, 2023 20:25:24 GMT
I donβt mind conquistadors have 9 mobility, because I will always use them on ElCid with rapid march. Somehow they buffed el Campeador What is your legion composition for El Cid?
I'm far from getting conquistadors 5th skill, but I wonder how is the best way to implement them in a legion.
IBC + MR + Conquistadors is the best combination for him. |
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Post by stoic on Jun 4, 2023 17:37:43 GMT
nikomachosLvl 4 upgrade of Varangians provides us with 10% more. So, it's 55% when moral is normal and 75% when moral is high.  
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Post by nikomachos on Jun 5, 2023 9:51:29 GMT
stoic wow! thats starting to feel broken but i cant wait
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Post by stoic on Jun 5, 2023 10:42:07 GMT
stoic wow! thats starting to feel broken but i cant wait I am eager to test the weapon too. Especially the mysterious part: "directly effective when the moral is high"... It could mean... well, everything... |
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jun 5, 2023 12:55:54 GMT
It probably means when In high moral, you get+15 bonus damage regardles of enemy moral.
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Post by stoic on Jun 5, 2023 14:21:37 GMT
It probably means when In high moral, you get+15 bonus damage regardles of enemy moral. Then I don't see the difference between lvl 3 and 4. Because if our legion has a high moral, then, most likely, an enemy legion will have less moral points. And that is the precondition of lvl 3 advantage. So, lvl 4 only works against legions with the highest possible moral, which is, of course, very situational Kind of dubious bonus for such (presumably) costly upgrade. I definitely will test this, before confirming this upgrade... |
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Post by jonblend on Jun 6, 2023 18:32:28 GMT
andrei I have joined ET Discord channel to find some news on future ET plans. I haven't found any and in general the place is a total mess But one thing kept my attention. "Would-be-experts" there say that Mamlukes are completely outdated now and advise to replace them with Dragoons in ranged legions instead. Theoretically I understand the point. But I still think that Mamlukes are better, especially because the chance is high that they and IBC will receive one additional skill eventually. What do you think about it? Are Dragoons that good? Haha I have the same impression; maybe I'm too old for this but I prefer concentrated information rather than little pieces scattered between endless meme repeating chatter. And I'm convinced it takes some time to separate the true experts from the wannabes; like here, having a lot of posts doesn't correlate with quality but over time one knows who to rely on 
Now about dragoons: I think the combination MR+dragoon is better than MA+woad on Timur (IBC is non-negotiable) and whoever else uses a similar setup. I'm always preferring mobility so having at least chase is a must. And the good thing about dragoons (with their lv5 ability) is they enable moving 2 tiles and then still attacking 3 times (without the dodge bonus from MR). This comes in very useful in treasure missions where we can swap war gear freely since Rhino and C.Hammer is required (or rapid march gem combo).
And even though they don't have dodge, dragoons take only 30% from ranged attacks thanks to ranged distribution and they offer a lot of (counter)attack dmg since they get boosted by master shooter (and +20% with the arquebuse upgrade) .
It took about 20% of my accumulated souls to get them to lv12 (from 9) and unlock their troop talents. Gun powder is not needed for much else and we get more during treasure missions. And when Mamluks surpass them in the future, then I'll hopefully have enough elephant archers, bow rings and chain mail to purchase their troop talents |
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Post by verily on Jun 7, 2023 0:31:26 GMT
It probably means when In high moral, you get+15 bonus damage regardles of enemy moral. Then I don't see the difference between lvl 3 and 4. Because if our legion has a high moral, then, most likely, an enemy legion will have less moral points. And that is the precondition of lvl 3 advantage. So, lvl 4 only works against legions with the highest possible moral, which is, of course, very situational Kind of dubious bonus for such (presumably) costly upgrade. I definitely will test this, before confirming this upgrade... they invest in morale system. most talent needs to be in high morale. |
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