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Post by stoic on Jun 10, 2023 8:23:40 GMT
I am a patient man and can wait long enough for an answer. I switch on auto when I feel it safe, that means all flanks are secured and all enemies or neutral states are in war with someone else. Usually it happens at turn 20-22 when Maurs are destroyed, Byzantine Expedition and Empire declare war on Ostrogoths. On on the northern flank it addition to it, I either have a good relations with Burgundy or persuade Vasco to join the war against this kingdom. I am forced to repeat, - when the strategy is clear, it takes only several moments to complete a turn. I don't have several armies and 3 front wars. The main force takes all cities from the south since they are defenceless, then moves along the shore, then takes the capital, then destroys Bretons (sometimes even that is not necessary). So, as you see, switching to auto is not a dogma. On the contrary it depends on many factors and diplomatic situation. Now it would be very gracious of you to explain to me how I could make the process of farming more easy with Thuringia. Again, I have no personal connections with Suebi. I just try to make a process of farming as painless as possible. But I am open-minded in this respect, and if I see, that your method is more easy to apply, I will abandon Suebi, and embrace Thuringia. I see no problem with it. But again, remember that there are f2p players in this world, so an advice "kill everything on the way" doesn't really help. I would if I could  You may be a patient person, but you are also a manipulator who takes words out of context, just like your little pet, it's a shame that it doesn't work for me. I never said that for f2p players Thuringia is the easiest way, but the cheapest way, the difference between 5 and 11 compasses is quite noticeable. I have no problem admitting that for f2p players your way is easier, but it's also more expensive, and if it's not such a problem in compasses, why not play with Ostrogoths? So here's an offer, you'll play with the Ostrogoths my way, as I'll tell you to make tactics, and I'll play with the Suebians your way, as you tell me, and we'll come here and share the results, okay? I hope the 6 more compasses you will spend on the Ostrogoths is not a problem for you? Don't you think it is an overstretch to call one of the oldest and most respectable players on this forum "a little pet" without any reason at all? andrei doesn't need my defence and has a sharp tangue himself but, again, I don't see the slightest reason to do it, especially when our discussion is (still) within reasonable limits. I don't think that your proposal to add Ostrogoths to this discussion is relevant. Most likely you have tried to play Thuringia within limits of a F2P player and it does not end up very good. At least, it was a quite challenging run to recommend it as a farming ground for everyone. Let's summarise our discussion (as far as it is possible to do): 1. I do not challenge the point that farming with Thuringia is cheaper. Well, I haven't ever did it  It is clear as a day that 10 compasses are a better price to pay that 16. 2.You don't challenge the point that Thuringia is probably not the easiest way to farm for every player, because starting conditions for f2p players are not that easy. Outside Thuringia and Suebi there are plenty of countries to farm chain armor. I am eager to test the method proposed by zabadanov86. Who knows, maybe we'll find a gold mine eventually. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 10, 2023 10:59:34 GMT
You may be a patient person, but you are also a manipulator who takes words out of context, just like your little pet, it's a shame that it doesn't work for me. I never said that for f2p players Thuringia is the easiest way, but the cheapest way, the difference between 5 and 11 compasses is quite noticeable. I have no problem admitting that for f2p players your way is easier, but it's also more expensive, and if it's not such a problem in compasses, why not play with Ostrogoths? So here's an offer, you'll play with the Ostrogoths my way, as I'll tell you to make tactics, and I'll play with the Suebians your way, as you tell me, and we'll come here and share the results, okay? I hope the 6 more compasses you will spend on the Ostrogoths is not a problem for you? Don't you think it is an overstretch to call one of the oldest and most respectable players on this forum "a little pet" without any reason at all? andrei doesn't need my defence and has a sharp tangue himself but, again, I don't see the slightest reason to do it, especially when our discussion is (still) within reasonable limits. I don't think that your proposal to add Ostrogoths to this discussion is relevant. Most likely you have tried to play Thuringia within limits of a F2P player and it does not end up very good. At least, it was a quite challenging run to recommend it as a farming ground for everyone. Let's summarise our discussion (as far as it is possible to do): 1. I do not challenge the point that farming with Thuringia is cheaper. Well, I haven't ever did it It is clear as a day that 10 compasses are a better price to pay that 16. 2.You don't challenge the point that Thuringia is probably not the easiest way to farm for every player, because starting conditions for f2p players are not that easy. Outside Thuringia and Suebi there are plenty of countries to farm chain armor. I am eager to test the method proposed by zabadanov86. Who knows, maybe we'll find a gold mine eventually. Where did I call andrei a little pet? If you concluded that he is your little pet, that's up to you, don't tell me that I wrote something that I didn't, again. How are you Ostrogoths not relevant in this discussion? Are they too expensive in terms of compasses? You sounded so confident when you offered me your test, why are you running away from my test for you now, I thought you were braver, or do you have to wait for what your little pet will write? |
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Post by stoic on Jun 10, 2023 11:22:45 GMT
Don't you think it is an overstretch to call one of the oldest and most respectable players on this forum "a little pet" without any reason at all? andrei doesn't need my defence and has a sharp tangue himself but, again, I don't see the slightest reason to do it, especially when our discussion is (still) within reasonable limits. I don't think that your proposal to add Ostrogoths to this discussion is relevant. Most likely you have tried to play Thuringia within limits of a F2P player and it does not end up very good. At least, it was a quite challenging run to recommend it as a farming ground for everyone. Let's summarise our discussion (as far as it is possible to do): 1. I do not challenge the point that farming with Thuringia is cheaper. Well, I haven't ever did it It is clear as a day that 10 compasses are a better price to pay that 16. 2.You don't challenge the point that Thuringia is probably not the easiest way to farm for every player, because starting conditions for f2p players are not that easy. Outside Thuringia and Suebi there are plenty of countries to farm chain armor. I am eager to test the method proposed by zabadanov86. Who knows, maybe we'll find a gold mine eventually. Where did I call andrei a little pet? If you concluded that he is your little pet, that's up to you, don't tell me that I wrote something that I didn't, again. How are you Ostrogoths not relevant in this discussion? Are they too expensive in terms of compasses? You sounded so confident when you offered me your test, why are you running away from my test for you now, I thought you were braver, or do you have to wait for what your little pet will write? Oh, so you didn't have andrei in mind. My apologies. But could you clarify then whom did you call "little pet", just to avoid this misunderstanding in the future? I think you are a reasonable person to understand when sensible conversion is over and sh..t begins. I am not entirely sure what do I need to "prove" or to "disprove" . I said that in my opinion Suebi is a conquest easier to handle than Thuringia if you play as a F2P. As I understand you don't have many objections. Am I right? So, there is nothing to prove, actually. We may discuss other topics, Goths included, but it has nothing to do with my statement that Suebi is an easy challenge conquest, especially for f2p players. |
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jun 10, 2023 12:02:08 GMT
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 10, 2023 13:11:57 GMT
Where did I call andrei a little pet? If you concluded that he is your little pet, that's up to you, don't tell me that I wrote something that I didn't, again. How are you Ostrogoths not relevant in this discussion? Are they too expensive in terms of compasses? You sounded so confident when you offered me your test, why are you running away from my test for you now, I thought you were braver, or do you have to wait for what your little pet will write? Oh, so you didn't have andrei in mind. My apologies. But could you clarify then whom did you call "little pet", just to avoid this misunderstanding in the future? I think you are a reasonable person to understand when sensible conversion is over and sh..t begins. I am not entirely sure what do I need to "prove" or to "disprove" . I said that in my opinion Suebi is a conquest easier to handle than Thuringia if you play as a F2P. As I understand you don't have many objections. Am I right? So, there is nothing to prove, actually. We may discuss other topics, Goths included, but it has nothing to do with my statement that Suebi is an easy challenge conquest, especially for f2p players. When you explain to me why you thought andrei was your little pet, then I will tell you who I meant. I even wrote to you that Suebian is the easiest choice for f2p, of course you ignored it, but I also expressed my opinion that choice is more expensive and that many f2p players do not have the resources to spend in order to have the luxury of "a little easier farming". As for Turungia, my choice for farming, he is definitely not for everyone, as he requires a different playstyle, but for those who can follow this style (even f2p players who have a lot of cav generals), it would definitely be more worthwhile than to spend 6 compasses more. Just tell me this, how many f2p players can have 200+ compasses, so that 6 compasses at a higher cost is not a problem because of "slightly easier gameplay"? |
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jun 10, 2023 13:12:58 GMT
 P.S. You dont have to hire any more combat generala besides ones in first Turn. Just hire administrators for capital and Make Wiena richest city in the world🙂 |
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Post by stoic on Jun 10, 2023 14:25:46 GMT
Oh, so you didn't have andrei in mind. My apologies. But could you clarify then whom did you call "little pet", just to avoid this misunderstanding in the future? I think you are a reasonable person to understand when sensible conversion is over and sh..t begins. I am not entirely sure what do I need to "prove" or to "disprove" . I said that in my opinion Suebi is a conquest easier to handle than Thuringia if you play as a F2P. As I understand you don't have many objections. Am I right? So, there is nothing to prove, actually. We may discuss other topics, Goths included, but it has nothing to do with my statement that Suebi is an easy challenge conquest, especially for f2p players. When you explain to me why you thought andrei was your little pet, then I will tell you who I meant. I even wrote to you that Suebian is the easiest choice for f2p, of course you ignored it, but I also expressed my opinion that choice is more expensive and that many f2p players do not have the resources to spend in order to have the luxury of "a little easier farming". As for Turungia, my choice for farming, he is definitely not for everyone, as he requires a different playstyle, but for those who can follow this style (even f2p players who have a lot of cav generals), it would definitely be more worthwhile than to spend 6 compasses more. Just tell me this, how many f2p players can have 200+ compasses, so that 6 compasses at a higher cost is not a problem because of "slightly easier gameplay"? It's a method called deduction Only a handful of players participated in this discussion since it began a couple of pages ago. yuanzhong kinda supported your position. jonblend and zabadanov86 posted screens unrelated to our discussion. And only 3 players argued with you: myself, nikomachos and andrei. It is a different person from me, so, logically, it is not me. nikomachos hardly said anything criminal to provoke such reaction. And since andrei and you had some misunderstanding in the past, I made conclusion that he was the target. But since you say it is not him I am clueless who this person might be and eagerly await explanation. Concerning compasses. I personally haven't ever bought them for medals, but when there was an opportunity I bought them in our regular shop. 12k coins each. Not that I needed them desperately, just in case. So, I still have 115 of them. I don't do farming often but when I do, I would rather do it with less involvement. So, I think it is justified. Besides, I have plenty of cavalry generals and still wait for your ideas how to do it within limits of a f2p player. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 10, 2023 14:28:45 GMT
P.S. You dont have to hire any more combat generala besides ones in first Turn. Just hire administrators for capital and Make Wiena richest city in the world🙂 Yup, I confirm, I just finished as you recommended and this is definitely the best way for now for f2p players and for "lazy guys" |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 10, 2023 14:37:40 GMT
When you explain to me why you thought andrei was your little pet, then I will tell you who I meant. I even wrote to you that Suebian is the easiest choice for f2p, of course you ignored it, but I also expressed my opinion that choice is more expensive and that many f2p players do not have the resources to spend in order to have the luxury of "a little easier farming". As for Turungia, my choice for farming, he is definitely not for everyone, as he requires a different playstyle, but for those who can follow this style (even f2p players who have a lot of cav generals), it would definitely be more worthwhile than to spend 6 compasses more. Just tell me this, how many f2p players can have 200+ compasses, so that 6 compasses at a higher cost is not a problem because of "slightly easier gameplay"? It's a method called deduction Only a handful of players participated in this discussion since it began a couple of pages ago. yuanzhong kinda supported your position. jonblend and zabadanov86 posted screens unrelated to our discussion. And only 3 players argued with you: myself, nikomachos and andrei. It is a different person from me, so, logically, it is not me. nikomachos hardly said anything criminal to provoke such reaction. And since andrei and you had some misunderstanding in the past, I made conclusion that he was the target. But since you say it is not him I am clueless who this person might be and eagerly await explanation. Concerning compasses. I personally haven't ever bought them for medals, but when there was an opportunity I bought them in our regular shop. 12k coins each. Not that I needed them desperately, just in case. So, I still have 115 of them. I don't do farming often but when I do, I would rather do it with less involvement. So, I think it is justified. Besides, I have plenty of cavalry generals and still wait for your ideas how to do it within limits of a f2p player. Dude I can't believe you actually tried to explain, you really take everything seriously, relax a little That was a classic provocation and trap, it's unbelievable that you got caught. In my people it is an integral part of every discussion and no one takes them seriously, but I understand that you are confused by cultural differences. Everything is ok between us, it's simply the way we like to talk to each other |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 10, 2023 14:44:49 GMT
When you explain to me why you thought andrei was your little pet, then I will tell you who I meant. I even wrote to you that Suebian is the easiest choice for f2p, of course you ignored it, but I also expressed my opinion that choice is more expensive and that many f2p players do not have the resources to spend in order to have the luxury of "a little easier farming". As for Turungia, my choice for farming, he is definitely not for everyone, as he requires a different playstyle, but for those who can follow this style (even f2p players who have a lot of cav generals), it would definitely be more worthwhile than to spend 6 compasses more. Just tell me this, how many f2p players can have 200+ compasses, so that 6 compasses at a higher cost is not a problem because of "slightly easier gameplay"? It's a method called deduction Only a handful of players participated in this discussion since it began a couple of pages ago. yuanzhong kinda supported your position. jonblend and zabadanov86 posted screens unrelated to our discussion. And only 3 players argued with you: myself, nikomachos and andrei. It is a different person from me, so, logically, it is not me. nikomachos hardly said anything criminal to provoke such reaction. And since andrei and you had some misunderstanding in the past, I made conclusion that he was the target. But since you say it is not him I am clueless who this person might be and eagerly await explanation. Concerning compasses. I personally haven't ever bought them for medals, but when there was an opportunity I bought them in our regular shop. 12k coins each. Not that I needed them desperately, just in case. So, I still have 115 of them. I don't do farming often but when I do, I would rather do it with less involvement. So, I think it is justified. Besides, I have plenty of cavalry generals and still wait for your ideas how to do it within limits of a f2p player. My play style is buying all IAPs and grind for all that grind-able. I try to save as much as possible (eager to spend about 2 hours but 10 compasses cost than 45 mins with 16 compasses 😆). We don't need to hurry in talents farm IMO, do it only once or twice per day depend on how much free time I have. I just give another choice to save as much as possible, not to tell my way is best way. May be I spend more if I have to rush but not in this case. |
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Post by stoic on Jun 10, 2023 19:46:07 GMT
P.S. You dont have to hire any more combat generala besides ones in first Turn. Just hire administrators for capital and Make Wiena richest city in the world🙂 A very good find, but I expected no less from a guy who already unlocked Hunyadi's weapon and without Charlemagne 33 turns, 2/3 of them is just clicking "next turn" button and reacting to diplomatic offers. I killed Teutons too, but probably it was unnecessary.  All in all it is even less stressful than Suebi. And only 10 compasses in comparison. |
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jun 10, 2023 21:23:59 GMT
Ur welcome 😀
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Post by verily on Jun 11, 2023 10:43:23 GMT
zabadanov86 congrats you get the polish sabre. im doing the byzantine diplomacy hegemony normal. i can finish it in 10 min(used to be 15min but as i get high admin it get lower) = 70pts. im at 61 proof of honor. im doing/resetting the serbian despotate(downfall of bzyantine) 81 challenge. its cheapest but hardest to get the red gem. f2p 75challenge i try the thuringia(you can finish it but takes time) or suebi(safest position to a growing empire) but i could say zabadanov86 is right about austria(easy to hegemony). both of thuringia and suebi need to defeat avars and mauris. unlike austria you can bribe hungary. 80challenge fastest must be WRE but they say get only 70pts for the hard work.
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jun 11, 2023 12:36:35 GMT
Easiest 80 dificulty Is Moldova for plate mail and red gems in DOB. Only downsid Is 16 compases. No IAPs, no strugle for existence, easy no stres 35 Turn Game. I will elaborate later...
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jun 11, 2023 14:05:40 GMT
  Subotai and starting general with Zhiska go for Wallachia and Serbia, Murad, Matilda of Boulogne, Vlad and Cid go south for Constatinopole. Cash will start flowing realy rast then spawn in Vidin all your naval generals and Send them to Asia minor north cost Here you Can take lvl 2 turkish city From where you Can spawn generals for Al Qounlu. Naval gens will destroy their flert and genoese fleet, and diplomacy will do the rest. You have Strong economy and good diplomacy policies. Enjoj |
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It is clear as a day that 10 compasses are a better price to pay that 16.
