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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 9, 2023 15:22:25 GMT
verily, pevertpanda, There is no special tactic here, I don't care about diplomacy at the beginning, I try to throw out as many generals as possible, and to take enemy cities as quickly as possible. After 10 turns, I'm big enough to bribe -100 lands to become allies, I usually end the game as an ally with Suebian and Byz Exp. Only the Suebians get the money they ask for at the beginning, I am not at war with them at any time. One army goes to the beginning to destroy the Franks, the other goes to the right to destroy small countries and Byz. The fastest generals go to Africa. 
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Post by nikomachos on Jun 9, 2023 15:37:58 GMT
Auto in RoB may lead to the pain, Avar. Manual play takes about 30 - 45 mins which less than 30 turns. Exactly why i argued for a secure nation, to semi auto nonetheless  hrabrimalitoster, i certainly dont buy compasses with medals for the obvious reason you pointed out. The dailys and shop provide a decent amount imo. Its not paradoxical merely an investment of a different sort, namely 6 compasses invested into convenience. Bc i agree with jonblend, that farming in the first place is hardly a necessity. Therefore if done farming it may be as little effort as possible. Your argument on ressource managment is of course logical in an economical sense |
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Post by andrei on Jun 9, 2023 16:06:09 GMT
Very strange discussion. As I understand stoic is taking about auto conquests at some point after start, while his opponents are talking about full control 😁 You misunderstand, as usual. The discussion is about which country is best for farming Chain Armor, Austria, Thuringia or Suebian, and Auto-Conquest is an argument that stoic used as an advantage in favor of the Suebian Kingdom. But the way he talked about that Auto-Conquest can be applied to any country, it is enough to expand your country to a third of the map, and throw out your strongest Generals who should be equipped with Tent LV1, it is not a science and that argument cannot it is in favor of the Suebian Kingdom, because it can also be with Thuringia, you just need to know how. The question is after which turn does Auto-Conquest with Suebian Kingdom start? What exactly is wrong with my statement? In case You don't have Atilla You can't be strong enough by turn 10 as You described. And conquest could turn to a pain (time consumed) to get to the point for auto. And if speaking in general I don't see the point to farm it manually. Fully agree with jonblendTime spent is way too expensive at least for me |
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Post by yuanzhong on Jun 9, 2023 17:04:23 GMT
verily, pevertpanda, There is no special tactic here, I don't care about diplomacy at the beginning, I try to throw out as many generals as possible, and to take enemy cities as quickly as possible. After 10 turns, I'm big enough to bribe -100 lands to become allies, I usually end the game as an ally with Suebian and Byz Exp. Only the Suebians get the money they ask for at the beginning, I am not at war with them at any time. One army goes to the beginning to destroy the Franks, the other goes to the right to destroy small countries and Byz. The fastest generals go to Africa. Did you try keep the Byzantine, exp Byz and Suebin as neutral (use -7 dip)? Less stressful than facing all side attacking. Few turns more but less manual control for battle |
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Post by stoic on Jun 9, 2023 17:15:11 GMT
Very strange discussion. As I understand stoic is taking about auto conquests at some point after start, while his opponents are talking about full control 😁 You misunderstand, as usual. The discussion is about which country is best for farming Chain Armor, Austria, Thuringia or Suebian, and Auto-Conquest is an argument that stoic used as an advantage in favor of the Suebian Kingdom. But the way he talked about that Auto-Conquest can be applied to any country, it is enough to expand your country to a third of the map, and throw out your strongest Generals who should be equipped with Tent LV1, it is not a science and that argument cannot it is in favor of the Suebian Kingdom, because it can also be with Thuringia, you just need to know how. The question is after which turn does Auto-Conquest with Suebian Kingdom start? Sometimes we take for granted things that are not as common as we believe. "The best way" to farm is not the best word to use I doubt that there is a best way anyway. I would rather speak about the easiest way. And this easiest way is obviously different for f2p and p2w players. So, let's assume a f2p player starts the conquest with Thuringia. He deploys his best general, Timur on most occasions, appoints Justinian as consul, improves diplomacy and here what he sees   A total mess in diplomatic relations and poor economy.  Yes, it is possible to beat Franks with a relative ease, but here is the cost of your second deployed general.  And it is almost impossible to start second front operations. And all your neighbors demand gifts. And a single War axe cavalry unit costs 150 iron...As I said, it is possible to overcome these difficulties eventually, but the key word is "overcome". While playing for Suebi is as clear as crystal. You have decent diplomatic relations with majority of countries, so you can choose your allies. You just take cities in Iberia one by one and deploy a couple of generals in Africa. Then you just collect taxes and distribute them between allied states. It is impossible to play with such an ease with Thuringia if you are a f2p player. I am almost sure about it. Just for the sake of experiment try to achieve this victory with only one deployed general and with mostly milita units. And with down-to-earth generals like Roland and Alfred. And then you can share your experience of how easy it was. I don't doubt you'll do it, I am just interested how easy it will be in your own experience. |
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Post by zabadanov86 on Jun 9, 2023 17:32:21 GMT
Im a f2p player, trust me, Austria on 75 dificulty, -30 relations with other National, and -5 diplomacy per Turn, easy 15 minutes win. I declare war only on Bohemia and Poland, and in most cases no one else declares war on me. HRE Rebells Die off easy. There Are few tributes but you Can pay them with rade because starting quest Are easy. Enjoj🙂
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Post by balthazar on Jun 9, 2023 20:15:24 GMT
Ty all for the valuable ideas, i think its good to have different perspectives. Everyone can evaluate from their point of view. Anyways in addition to chain armor id like to ask best/fastest way to farm plate armor. Anything below 30 turns would be welcomed.
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 9, 2023 20:17:15 GMT
verily, pevertpanda, There is no special tactic here, I don't care about diplomacy at the beginning, I try to throw out as many generals as possible, and to take enemy cities as quickly as possible. After 10 turns, I'm big enough to bribe -100 lands to become allies, I usually end the game as an ally with Suebian and Byz Exp. Only the Suebians get the money they ask for at the beginning, I am not at war with them at any time. One army goes to the beginning to destroy the Franks, the other goes to the right to destroy small countries and Byz. The fastest generals go to Africa. Did you try keep the Byzantine, exp Byz and Suebin as neutral (use -7 dip)? Less stressful than facing all side attacking. Few turns more but less manual control for battle Byz is not a problem for me, I take their cities quickly and easily and they give me a lot of money, they don't make a big army because they are busy with Pirates. It's just easier for me to destroy them than to make friends with them. |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 9, 2023 20:22:54 GMT
You misunderstand, as usual. The discussion is about which country is best for farming Chain Armor, Austria, Thuringia or Suebian, and Auto-Conquest is an argument that stoic used as an advantage in favor of the Suebian Kingdom. But the way he talked about that Auto-Conquest can be applied to any country, it is enough to expand your country to a third of the map, and throw out your strongest Generals who should be equipped with Tent LV1, it is not a science and that argument cannot it is in favor of the Suebian Kingdom, because it can also be with Thuringia, you just need to know how. The question is after which turn does Auto-Conquest with Suebian Kingdom start? Sometimes we take for granted things that are not as common as we believe. "The best way" to farm is not the best word to use I doubt that there is a best way anyway. I would rather speak about the easiest way. And this easiest way is obviously different for f2p and p2w players. So, let's assume a f2p player starts the conquest with Thuringia. He deploys his best general, Timur on most occasions, appoints Justinian as consul, improves diplomacy and here what he sees A total mess in diplomatic relations and poor economy. Yes, it is possible to beat Franks with a relative ease, but here is the cost of your second deployed general. And it is almost impossible to start second front operations. And all your neighbors demand gifts. And a single War axe cavalry unit costs 150 iron...As I said, it is possible to overcome these difficulties eventually, but the key word is "overcome". While playing for Suebi is as clear as crystal. You have decent diplomatic relations with majority of countries, so you can choose your allies. You just take cities in Iberia one by one and deploy a couple of generals in Africa. Then you just collect taxes and distribute them between allied states. It is impossible to play with such an ease with Thuringia if you are a f2p player. I am almost sure about it. Just for the sake of experiment try to achieve this victory with only one deployed general and with mostly milita units. And with down-to-earth generals like Roland and Alfred. And then you can share your experience of how easy it was. I don't doubt you'll do it, I am just interested how easy it will be in your own experience. As usual, you and andrei completely ignore what someone writes when it is not in your favor. Answer me first after which turn does Auto-Conquest start? After that answer, we could continue to discuss... |
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Post by stoic on Jun 9, 2023 21:09:13 GMT
Sometimes we take for granted things that are not as common as we believe. "The best way" to farm is not the best word to use I doubt that there is a best way anyway. I would rather speak about the easiest way. And this easiest way is obviously different for f2p and p2w players. So, let's assume a f2p player starts the conquest with Thuringia. He deploys his best general, Timur on most occasions, appoints Justinian as consul, improves diplomacy and here what he sees A total mess in diplomatic relations and poor economy. Yes, it is possible to beat Franks with a relative ease, but here is the cost of your second deployed general. And it is almost impossible to start second front operations. And all your neighbors demand gifts. And a single War axe cavalry unit costs 150 iron...As I said, it is possible to overcome these difficulties eventually, but the key word is "overcome". While playing for Suebi is as clear as crystal. You have decent diplomatic relations with majority of countries, so you can choose your allies. You just take cities in Iberia one by one and deploy a couple of generals in Africa. Then you just collect taxes and distribute them between allied states. It is impossible to play with such an ease with Thuringia if you are a f2p player. I am almost sure about it. Just for the sake of experiment try to achieve this victory with only one deployed general and with mostly milita units. And with down-to-earth generals like Roland and Alfred. And then you can share your experience of how easy it was. I don't doubt you'll do it, I am just interested how easy it will be in your own experience. As usual, you and andrei completely ignore what someone writes when it is not in your favor. Answer me first after which turn does Auto-Conquest start? After that answer, we could continue to discuss... Strange, I thought it could be interesting for you to play as a F2P player and share your ideas with us. Oh, well, nevermind  I switch on auto when Mours are defeated and I am allied with at least both Byzantine parties and Vasco. Here is an example of it  But I spend only several seconds to make my moves. We spend real time minutes and hours on the game, so there are turns that last seconds and turns that last minutes. I don't actually play it. The phone is on the table, so I make my move and walk away to do other things. Because there is little room for micromanagement when you play for Suebian Kingdom. I haven't said that it takes only minutes to complete it, I said it takes minutes when I actually pay attention to it  So, now, when I answered your question as honestly as I could, would you mind to share your ideas about Thuringia taking into account difficulties a F2P player might confront. I am asking almost without irony Suebi are not my ancestors and I don't promote their interest in neither way If I will find a conquest easier than that I will say: "To hell with Suebi" Believe me I am not dogmatic, at least not when we are talking about farming conquests |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 9, 2023 22:17:15 GMT
As usual, you and andrei completely ignore what someone writes when it is not in your favor. Answer me first after which turn does Auto-Conquest start? After that answer, we could continue to discuss... Strange, I thought it could be interesting for you to play as a F2P player and share your ideas with us. Oh, well, nevermind I switch on auto when Mours are defeated and I am allied with at least both Byzantine parties and Vasco. Here is an example of it But I spend only several seconds to make my moves. We spend real time minutes and hours on the game, so there are turns that last seconds and turns that last minutes. I don't actually play it. The phone is on the table, so I make my move and walk away to do other things. Because there is little room for micromanagement when you play for Suebian Kingdom. I haven't said that it takes only minutes to complete it, I said it takes minutes when I actually pay attention to it So, now, when I answered your question as honestly as I could, would you mind to share your ideas about Thuringia taking into account difficulties a F2P player might confront. I am asking almost without irony Suebi are not my ancestors and I don't promote their interest in neither way If I will find a conquest easier than that I will say: "To hell with Suebi" Believe me I am not dogmatic, at least not when we are talking about farming conquests So Auto-Conquest starts when the Moors are destroyed? Well, in my game, when the Moors are destroyed the game ends, so there is no need for Auto-Conquest But again you didn't answer my question, in which turn Auto-Conquest starts, that is, in which turn the Moors are destroyed? |
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Post by andrei on Jun 10, 2023 3:16:27 GMT
stoic , why don't You use Charles the Great to kill Maurs fast? And please You must have Atilla to place 6 tavern gens by turn 3. I don't see any problem Easy peasy, no necessity to ally Byzantine in case You can kill it and take its territory It is really funny discussion
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Post by stoic on Jun 10, 2023 5:04:01 GMT
Strange, I thought it could be interesting for you to play as a F2P player and share your ideas with us. Oh, well, nevermind I switch on auto when Mours are defeated and I am allied with at least both Byzantine parties and Vasco. Here is an example of it But I spend only several seconds to make my moves. We spend real time minutes and hours on the game, so there are turns that last seconds and turns that last minutes. I don't actually play it. The phone is on the table, so I make my move and walk away to do other things. Because there is little room for micromanagement when you play for Suebian Kingdom. I haven't said that it takes only minutes to complete it, I said it takes minutes when I actually pay attention to it So, now, when I answered your question as honestly as I could, would you mind to share your ideas about Thuringia taking into account difficulties a F2P player might confront. I am asking almost without irony Suebi are not my ancestors and I don't promote their interest in neither way If I will find a conquest easier than that I will say: "To hell with Suebi" Believe me I am not dogmatic, at least not when we are talking about farming conquests So Auto-Conquest starts when the Moors are destroyed? Well, in my game, when the Moors are destroyed the game ends, so there is no need for Auto-Conquest But again you didn't answer my question, in which turn Auto-Conquest starts, that is, in which turn the Moors are destroyed? I am a patient man and can wait long enough for an answer. I switch on auto when I feel it safe, that means all flanks are secured and all enemies or neutral states are in war with someone else. Usually it happens at turn 20-22 when Maurs are destroyed, Byzantine Expedition and Empire declare war on Ostrogoths. On on the northern flank it addition to it, I either have a good relations with Burgundy or persuade Vasco to join the war against this kingdom. I am forced to repeat, - when the strategy is clear, it takes only several moments to complete a turn. I don't have several armies and 3 front wars. The main force takes all cities from the south since they are defenceless, then moves along the shore, then takes the capital, then destroys Bretons (sometimes even that is not necessary). So, as you see, switching to auto is not a dogma. On the contrary it depends on many factors and diplomatic situation. Now it would be very gracious of you to explain to me how I could make the process of farming more easy with Thuringia. Again, I have no personal connections with Suebi. I just try to make a process of farming as painless as possible. But I am open-minded in this respect, and if I see, that your method is more easy to apply, I will abandon Suebi, and embrace Thuringia. I see no problem with it. But again, remember that there are f2p players in this world, so an advice "kill everything on the way" doesn't really help. I would if I could |
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Post by stoic on Jun 10, 2023 5:08:45 GMT
stoic , why don't You use Charles the Great to kill Maurs fast? And please You must have Atilla to place 6 tavern gens by turn 3. I don't see any problem Easy peasy, no necessity to ally Byzantine in case You can kill it and take its territory It is really funny discussion I try as hard as I can to understand it, and to apply the strategy with my own generals and resources. So far unsuccessful |
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Post by hrabrimalitoster on Jun 10, 2023 7:58:20 GMT
So Auto-Conquest starts when the Moors are destroyed? Well, in my game, when the Moors are destroyed the game ends, so there is no need for Auto-Conquest But again you didn't answer my question, in which turn Auto-Conquest starts, that is, in which turn the Moors are destroyed? I am a patient man and can wait long enough for an answer. I switch on auto when I feel it safe, that means all flanks are secured and all enemies or neutral states are in war with someone else. Usually it happens at turn 20-22 when Maurs are destroyed, Byzantine Expedition and Empire declare war on Ostrogoths. On on the northern flank it addition to it, I either have a good relations with Burgundy or persuade Vasco to join the war against this kingdom. I am forced to repeat, - when the strategy is clear, it takes only several moments to complete a turn. I don't have several armies and 3 front wars. The main force takes all cities from the south since they are defenceless, then moves along the shore, then takes the capital, then destroys Bretons (sometimes even that is not necessary). So, as you see, switching to auto is not a dogma. On the contrary it depends on many factors and diplomatic situation. Now it would be very gracious of you to explain to me how I could make the process of farming more easy with Thuringia. Again, I have no personal connections with Suebi. I just try to make a process of farming as painless as possible. But I am open-minded in this respect, and if I see, that your method is more easy to apply, I will abandon Suebi, and embrace Thuringia. I see no problem with it. But again, remember that there are f2p players in this world, so an advice "kill everything on the way" doesn't really help. I would if I could You may be a patient person, but you are also a manipulator who takes words out of context, just like your little pet, it's a shame that it doesn't work for me. I never said that for f2p players Thuringia is the easiest way, but the cheapest way, the difference between 5 and 11 compasses is quite noticeable. I have no problem admitting that for f2p players your way is easier, but it's also more expensive, and if it's not such a problem in compasses, why not play with Ostrogoths? So here's an offer, you'll play with the Ostrogoths my way, as I'll tell you to make tactics, and I'll play with the Suebians your way, as you tell me, and we'll come here and share the results, okay? I hope the 6 more compasses you will spend on the Ostrogoths is not a problem for you? |
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