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Post by stoic on Dec 31, 2023 7:04:55 GMT
One of the easiest, actually. You have an early access to Horse Archers and Hatamoto. Even a f2p version of Hatamoto is tanky enough. And your main castle provides you with lvl 3 buildings increasing thus your income of knowledge, food and coins. My mistake (when playing it) was that my policy towards Nagao was inconsistent. At first, I thought about an Alliance with them. But when at +130 points of diplomatic relations the chance of Alliance was 0% I decided that it is impossible and began to form up a team for conquering them. It was a mistake because it is possible to make an Alliance, but you need at least +170 points to sign it. I'm worried about the initial stage. I think the entire western part of the map will attack me. Does it make sense to bribe any of your neighbors? Where to develop the offensive? As far as I remember it wasn't that bad at the start. I fought with Miyoshi most of the time and only when they were expelled to their home islands I have opened other fronts. Honganji have only one castle in the vicinity and many clans who declare war don't have a direct access to your territory or have other wars elsewhere. So, don't expand northwards, just defend your capital (relatively easy to do). Don't send your main team to finish off Miyoshi either, you can do it later with your third rate generals. So, form up two teams and send them to the west and to the south. In the south there are many big but poorly defended castles there and you can occupy shoreline relatively quickly. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jan 1, 2024 12:58:54 GMT
Is it even possible to induce submission in a max achievement challenge run?
I lowered enemy atk and diplomacy erosion per turn.
I'm about to turn into the level higher than Zenith while Kitabatake will become two levels under. I plan to split it in half to make contact with Tsutsui (neutralise the deterioration) and try my hand using the Kitabatake clan's Preserve Clan Name trait.
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Post by stoic on Jan 1, 2024 14:05:28 GMT
Is it even possible to induce submission in a max achievement challenge run? I lowered enemy atk and diplomacy erosion per turn. I'm about to turn into the level higher than Zenith while Kitabatake will become two levels under. I plan to split it in half to make contact with Tsutsui (neutralise the deterioration) and try my hand using the Kitabatake clan's Preserve Clan Name trait. I almost always have 0% probability on display. So, it is definitely a gamble. |
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Post by run4glory on Jan 1, 2024 17:08:14 GMT
You literally have to be Overlord before that is even an option, if they have very low prestige maybe try when you're Formidable (but then, they are so small that you probably just wanna kill them). And then, depending on their prestige you get a 30% or a 50% success chance. Sometimes you wanna use it on Nagano, if you are a Western power they sometimes can get strong because Takeda and Nagao fight each other to death. Saves you like 10 mins in a 5hr run  Or Hatakeyama, might save you 2 mins Because when you're Overlord you conquered like 80% of the map, your regular units are ultra fast and hit like generals already |
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Jan 1, 2024 17:19:57 GMT
Is it even possible to induce submission in a max achievement challenge run? I lowered enemy atk and diplomacy erosion per turn. I'm about to turn into the level higher than Zenith while Kitabatake will become two levels under. I plan to split it in half to make contact with Tsutsui (neutralise the deterioration) and try my hand using the Kitabatake clan's Preserve Clan Name trait. It's possible, in my Matsudaira run I was able to submit both Suzuki and Tsutsui. The probability seems to cap at 30% though, I was lucky and hit first try both times. For Imagawa probability capped at 20%. I allied with Kitabatake, so don't know what effect preserve clan name has. Edit: I was at Formidable reputation, it's possible that at Overlord the chance is higher. |
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Post by balthazar on Jan 2, 2024 11:02:21 GMT
I have just realized that completing a challenge does not give you clan rewards. I dont know if this is intented or not but i think that should not be the case.
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Post by stoic on Jan 2, 2024 11:25:54 GMT
I have just realized that completing a challenge does not give you clan rewards. I dont know if this is intented or not but i think that should not be the case. Well, it is logical. We don't have any special tasks in challenge conquests and these rewards are meant to be given for their completion. |
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jan 2, 2024 13:37:01 GMT
I have just realized that completing a challenge does not give you clan rewards. I dont know if this is intented or not but i think that should not be the case. As in the tasks for your first minor victory? Are you sure? We get them for clearing a clan as hegemon for the first time, assuming the minor victory was never cleared before. It should make sense to be able to earn the minor rewards on top of challenge rewards if the former has not been earned yet.
Challenge Conquest stuff:  Leaders with <Preserving Clan Name> have a 10-20% higher chance of being forced into subordination. You can push them to 50% chance and try your luck with a coin flip.    The options seem to reduce odds of a successful agreement by 40-60. Final chance for forcing Suzuki to surrender in a max-achievement Challenge run. IIRC, they were 70% in normal runs. The Ashikaga pic is probably to counter that exceeding +150 points by a wide margin may not be necessary to forge an alliance, unless you do not border the opposing state. |
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Post by kyokusanagi on Jan 2, 2024 18:47:43 GMT
I just realized, burned ground, when we have little chances to hold the castle just destroy everything, at least we ll give option to the oponent to raise his economy and lower his budget, then attack again and take with soveniurs.
I know silly, but 8 bit AI won t figure it out.
^_^
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Post by balthazar on Jan 2, 2024 19:48:10 GMT
I have just realized that completing a challenge does not give you clan rewards. I dont know if this is intented or not but i think that should not be the case. As in the tasks for your first minor victory? Are you sure? We get them for clearing a clan as hegemon for the first time, assuming the minor victory was never cleared before. It should make sense to be able to earn the minor rewards on top of challenge rewards if the former has not been earned yet.
Challenge Conquest stuff: Leaders with <Preserving Clan Name> have a 10-20% higher chance of being forced into subordination. You can push them to 50% chance and try your luck with a coin flip. The options seem to reduce odds of a successful agreement by 40-60. Final chance for forcing Suzuki to surrender in a max-achievement Challenge run. IIRC, they were 70% in normal runs. The Ashikaga pic is probably to counter that exceeding +150 points by a wide margin may not be necessary to forge an alliance, unless you do not border the opposing state. Yeah I have not done conquest before the challenge so I had most of the clan rewards as unobtained and after clearing challenge runs they are still not collected. I think we were able to collect everything in EW7 with challenges. |
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Post by truhses on Jan 5, 2024 5:56:07 GMT
In the challenge mode for Nagao, I did not get a victory, having the zenith prestige status. My allies were also at their zenith. I got the victory after achieving the formidable status. Perhaps in challenge mode, formidable status is a necessary condition for victory, or the player must be one prestige level higher than allies.
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Jan 5, 2024 7:21:56 GMT
In the challenge mode for Nagao, I did not get a victory, having the zenith prestige status. My allies were also at their zenith. I got the victory after achieving the formidable status. Perhaps in challenge mode, formidable status is a necessary condition for victory, or the player must be one prestige level higher than allies. It's explicitly stated that the prestige level must be higher than all other clans, the win condition is the same for challenge mode and normal hegemony runs.   The interesting thing for me is how you managed to achieve victory while only at zenith - challenge runs for me involve conquering so many nations that I end up at overlord without even trying. |
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Post by run4glory on Jan 5, 2024 8:29:36 GMT
In the challenge mode for Nagao, I did not get a victory, having the zenith prestige status. My allies were also at their zenith. I got the victory after achieving the formidable status. Perhaps in challenge mode, formidable status is a necessary condition for victory, or the player must be one prestige level higher than allies. It's explicitly stated that the prestige level must be higher than all other clans, the win condition is the same for challenge mode and normal hegemony runs. The interesting thing for me is how you managed to achieve victory while only at zenith - challenge runs for me involve conquering so many nations that I end up at overlord without even trying. My thoughts exactly  maybe one of our diplomats can explain how they manage to ally so many nations. Victory in challenge mode with only zenith is nothing less but mind-blowing to me! |
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Post by truhses on Jan 5, 2024 13:16:16 GMT
In the challenge mode for Nagao, I did not get a victory, having the zenith prestige status. My allies were also at their zenith. I got the victory after achieving the formidable status. Perhaps in challenge mode, formidable status is a necessary condition for victory, or the player must be one prestige level higher than allies. It's explicitly stated that the prestige level must be higher than all other clans, the win condition is the same for challenge mode and normal hegemony runs. The interesting thing for me is how you managed to achieve victory while only at zenith - challenge runs for me involve conquering so many nations that I end up at overlord without even trying. Thank you, I didn’t know about this inscription (after so many conquests...🤦🤷) Regarding the zenith. The challenge for Nagao is one of the easiest. The only difficulty is that at the beginning there is a war on two fronts against Jinbo and Takeda. I took -5 to relations per turn and -40 at the start. I tried to take clans with bonuses to relationships as potential allies, such as a conservatively neutral one. In the middle of the game, he made Ashikaga an ally, helped him twice and received +5 to his relationships with everyone. |
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Post by kyokusanagi on Jan 5, 2024 19:23:32 GMT
To speed up.
At the middle of conquest and later I build ie factory, stand a Unit, destroy same factory , biuld again.
All close to the place to conquer
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maybe one of our diplomats can explain how they manage to ally so many nations. Victory in challenge mode with only zenith is nothing less but mind-blowing to me!
