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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 5, 2024 15:59:37 GMT
Nah mate. I see why you think infantry EC is useful now. Fire Suppression CAN trigger when adjacent unit can no longer attack  Test it. Attack with a regular arty unit, then attack with Govorov with fire supp next to him. 25% (or 35/50%) of the time, the inactive artillery will join Govorov. That means, if you are attacking in order Sikorski - Govorov - EC, the EC can still trigger Govorov and Sikorski to join him. Tested both with 20 attempts using my lvl 2 FS Sikorski. 0/20 for the inactive arty and 8/20 for the active one. If your claim is true, then the chance of me not triggering FS even once out of 20 attempts is 1 out of 5500. On the other hand, I have 16% chance of triggering 8 times out of 20. |
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Post by maltese on Jun 5, 2024 18:02:54 GMT
Also tested it out with my 2 arty ECs (one has level 3 and the other has level 2 fire suppression). Skill only works with units that still can attack, other way around don't work as said so.
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 7, 2024 22:07:48 GMT
Where did you test tho? It only doesn't work on newly placed units, but when I move my Govorov and attack, then move my EC with FS and attack, Govorov joins.
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 7, 2024 22:09:15 GMT
If you are testing with newly build arties, it won't work. Has to be a unit older than one turn.
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 7, 2024 22:15:32 GMT
OH SNAP IT REALLY DOESN'T WORK... I just tried it and i swear to god it worked before.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 8, 2024 1:48:05 GMT
OH SNAP IT REALLY DOESN'T WORK... I just tried it and i swear to god it worked before. Told ya. You need lvl 3 FS to get a considerable amount of advantage against infantry EC. Also, if your artillery general really don't get below half HP that often, you can totally just add a few artillery stars to your infantry/tank EC and he'll still be awesome. |
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 14, 2024 9:42:01 GMT
Still, you can't use offence medals on Inf EC cuz he will get wrecked too fast. Arty EC you can build fully offensively (5 damage skills), and still survive the whole 1950/60 CC (unless you get unluckily nuked, which usually doesn't happen if you keep rank at M General or lower). Not just the skills but medal combo (FS) can also be fully offensive, which makes your arties real killing machines. Govy with arty+march, and EC with fire supp. The only way an infantry EC could be useful is an Inf-Air EC with air medals. Otherwise, attack a super tank/heavy tank (which are both plenty in 1950/60cc) with inf EC and he is gone... Or, he survives because of defence medals, but then he deals no damage. Arties can, on the other hand, deal damage to 3 or even up to 9 units per turn (rocket area damage and combo medal second/third attack) without taking any retaliation damage.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 15, 2024 1:59:04 GMT
Still, you can't use offence medals on Inf EC cuz he will get wrecked too fast. Arty EC you can build fully offensively (5 damage skills), and still survive the whole 1950/60 CC (unless you get unluckily nuked, which usually doesn't happen if you keep rank at M General or lower). Not just the skills but medal combo (FS) can also be fully offensive, which makes your arties real killing machines. Govy with arty+march, and EC with fire supp. The only way an infantry EC could be useful is an Inf-Air EC with air medals. Otherwise, attack a super tank/heavy tank (which are both plenty in 1950/60cc) with inf EC and he is gone... Or, he survives because of defence medals, but then he deals no damage. Arties can, on the other hand, deal damage to 3 or even up to 9 units per turn (rocket area damage and combo medal second/third attack) without taking any retaliation damage. I literally just told you infantry EC with Camouflage Clothing (inf + def) can hit as hard as an artillery EC with FS... Not to mention that rockets are the enemies' favorite target. Keeping an artillery EC on rocket healthy would be much harder than doing so with an infantry EC. Seriously give it a shot. I used to have both and inf EC does better. |
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 15, 2024 16:11:29 GMT
Do you even play 1950/1960CC? Honest question.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 15, 2024 19:50:06 GMT
Do you even play 1950/1960CC? Honest question. All speedrun missions completed, including 1950/60. |
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 25, 2024 17:31:05 GMT
Oh, one important question: when you did the speedruns, what was your Ion Cannon level? I just cannot compute how Inf EC could be - in any way - better than Tank/Arty. People in the ET discord community have compared them, and the only thing they found comes close is an Inf/Air EC with air medals, but still keeping first two ECs Tank and Arty, and without using Falkenhorst or Mannerheim etc
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 25, 2024 17:35:24 GMT
I'm soon finishing all speedruns and my two ECs aren't maxed out yet, no IAPs, Ion Cannon lvl 16. One set of expro lvl 2, one of FS lvl 2, one of Carpet Bombing lvl 2 and one Mechanic lvl 2. My third EC is empty (i don't use him). My ECs lack about 5000 medals each for maxing (10k medals total lacking)
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 26, 2024 1:41:25 GMT
Oh, one important question: when you did the speedruns, what was your Ion Cannon level? I just cannot compute how Inf EC could be - in any way - better than Tank/Arty. People in the ET discord community have compared them, and the only thing they found comes close is an Inf/Air EC with air medals, but still keeping first two ECs Tank and Arty, and without using Falkenhorst or Mannerheim etc Around the same as yours. Mine is currently at 18 but I did the majority of them well before that, so either 16 or 17. However, all my ECs are maxed out and my generals at marshal rank. I started off with 1 tank and 2 artillery ECs, and then I transformed one of the artillery EC to infantry after I got lvl 2 Camouflage Clothing and another to tank after second set of lvl 2 Expropriation. I had lvl 2 Expropriation on my tank EC(s), lvl 4 tank * 2 on Guderian/Katukov, lvl 2 FS on artillery EC, lvl 4 arty + lvl 5 move on Govorov, lvl2 Camouflage Clothing on infantry EC, and lvl 4 + lvl 3 air for Bittrich/Goring. In the speedruns I tend to deploy 2-3 tank generals, 1-2 arty, 1 infantry, and 0-2 air (no Eisenhower). After the second set of lvl 2 Expropriation I rarely deploy a second artillery. Most of the speedruns were done with 1 tank 1 artillery and 1 infantry EC. Rocket's spill damage is really nice but it's also enemy's favorite target. Marshal rank can help the artillery EC remain healthy longer but eventually the scratches stack up and in some cases a general hits him, and after that he was left to bully weak remote units. Infantry EC requires Cooperative Defense or lvl 2 Camouflage Clothing, in addition to lvl 4 Organization, to be usable. But once he gets them he's pretty much unkillable. I have to be really reckless to let him die (like putting him in a swarm of enemies that includes a tank general). When equipped with Camouflage Clothing he can one-shot a HT. |
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Post by MatosPoljca on Jun 26, 2024 14:32:14 GMT
Well that's about 25k medals of lead you have over me... My two ECs still lack about 4k each of max, and my third EC is completely blank. My Govy/Gude/Katu/Bittrich are none on Marshal rank, also. And, my medals aren't as good. Govy has lvl 4 speed, not 5. Only one defence medal lvl 3, and no Goring/Arnold either, just Bittrich. That explains it.
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jun 27, 2024 12:23:48 GMT
Well that's about 25k medals of lead you have over me... My two ECs still lack about 4k each of max, and my third EC is completely blank. My Govy/Gude/Katu/Bittrich are none on Marshal rank, also. And, my medals aren't as good. Govy has lvl 4 speed, not 5. Only one defence medal lvl 3, and no Goring/Arnold either, just Bittrich. That explains it. Then I can understand why infantry EC doesn't work out for you. Low rank + lvl 1 Camouflage Clothing = not enough survivability. In that case I would have this EC on artillery until I get at least lvl 1 Cooperative Defense + lvl 4 Organization + M Gen. Although artillery EC has relatively less potential, he's much more useful when we are tight on medals (both resource and equipment). Since you have both lvl 2 Carpet and Mechanist, perhaps you can convert your artillery EC to tank? |
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Test it. Attack with a regular arty unit, then attack with Govorov with fire supp next to him. 25% (or 35/50%) of the time, the inactive artillery will join Govorov. That means, if you are attacking in order Sikorski - Govorov - EC, the EC can still trigger Govorov and Sikorski to join him.
