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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 17, 2016 19:59:11 GMT
The plot thickens! If I could just suggest something: Maybe Napoleon makes an English puppet state out of their holdings? Again, you make the decision as you suggested it. Also, it was 1812, and 'Manifest Destiny' (Even though it wasnt really coined as a term back then' was one of the principal reasons for war. But still us never conquered Canada, what would change that much so they would? Its possible that the U.S continues war with Britain until 1816, when France and the U.K make peace. It could then be very possible that France makes British cede Canada to the USA as part of the peace treaty. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 17, 2016 20:00:20 GMT
But still us never conquered Canada, what would change that much so they would? Its possible that the U.S continues war with Britain until 1816, when France and the U.K make peace. It could then be very possible that France makes British cede Canada to the USA as part of the peace treaty. Good one! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 20:03:09 GMT
But still us never conquered Canada, what would change that much so they would? Its possible that the U.S continues war with Britain until 1816, when France and the U.K make peace. It could then be very possible that France makes British cede Canada to the USA as part of the peace treaty. But agreeing on such threaty would mean death UK, so most likely they wouldnt agree on this. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 17, 2016 20:03:11 GMT
Here's a nice idea, what if we make our own alternate history story as a community? I.e, everyone pitches in to include a possible plot line in the story? Ill give the background info first: 1812: The French don't invade Russia and instead aim towards securing their position in Iberia. It takes another year for the region to be pacified and for puppet governments in Spain and Portugal to be established. 1814: France invades Russia, this time somehow defeating them. Russia agrees to the cession of more Polish lands to Poland, to embargo the United Kingdom, and to become neutral. Now the French aim on starving out the British. By 1816, the British decide its time to end the war by signing a peace treaty. Meanwhile, Revolutions are occurring throughout the Western Hemisphere, with Haiti and America already having gained de facto independence. Now its time for community feedback. Im not asking how to change the backstory, I'm asking what would come next? I think this would be an interesting little experiment. 1816: ( Quintus Fabius )-USA annexes British Canada as a result of their war with the Brits and with the recent British surrender to the French. 1816-1825: ( The Light Bringer )-France does not intervene in any of the Independence Wars. As a result, the former Spanish and Portuguese colonies in the Americas gain independence as their armies were previously crushed by Napoleon's forces. 1830: ( Quintus Fabius )-Irish and Scottish Revolts in Great Britain backed by the French. Irish rebels secure all of Ireland as well as puppet state of Wales, France creates the Kingdom of Wessex as a puppet state which controls Southeast England as well as London, while Scotland take the rest. The British government flees to Sydney, Australia, where it is renamed 'New London'. The Empire remains intact. Scotland and Ireland are French puppets similar to the Polish puppet state. It's Essex. Essex and Wessex are two different places. Wessex was between Cornwall and London, Essex is in the SE corner of England, like where Dover and Canterbury was. Since the puppet only had that area and London, it should be called Essex. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 17, 2016 20:04:18 GMT
Here's a nice idea, what if we make our own alternate history story as a community? I.e, everyone pitches in to include a possible plot line in the story? Ill give the background info first: 1812: The French don't invade Russia and instead aim towards securing their position in Iberia. It takes another year for the region to be pacified and for puppet governments in Spain and Portugal to be established. 1814: France invades Russia, this time somehow defeating them. Russia agrees to the cession of more Polish lands to Poland, to embargo the United Kingdom, and to become neutral. Now the French aim on starving out the British. By 1816, the British decide its time to end the war by signing a peace treaty. Meanwhile, Revolutions are occurring throughout the Western Hemisphere, with Haiti and America already having gained de facto independence. Now its time for community feedback. Im not asking how to change the backstory, I'm asking what would come next? I think this would be an interesting little experiment. 1816: ( Quintus Fabius )-USA annexes British Canada as a result of their war with the Brits and with the recent British surrender to the French. 1816-1825: ( The Light Bringer )-France does not intervene in any of the Independence Wars. As a result, the former Spanish and Portuguese colonies in the Americas gain independence as their armies were previously crushed by Napoleon's forces. 1830: ( Quintus Fabius )-Irish and Scottish Revolts in Great Britain backed by the French. Irish rebels secure all of Ireland as well as puppet state of Wales, France creates the Kingdom of Wessex as a puppet state which controls Southeast England as well as London, while Scotland take the rest. The British government flees to Sydney, Australia, where it is renamed 'New London'. The Empire remains intact. Scotland and Ireland are French puppets similar to the Polish puppet state. It's Essex. Essex and Wessex are two different places. Wessex was between Cornwall and London, Essex is in the SE corner of England, like where Dover and Canterbury was. Since the puppet only had that area and London, it should be called Essex. Lol, funny you mention this because I changed it right before I saw this comment as I realized my mistake. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 17, 2016 20:04:32 GMT
Its possible that the U.S continues war with Britain until 1816, when France and the U.K make peace. It could then be very possible that France makes British cede Canada to the USA as part of the peace treaty. But agreeing on such threaty would mean death UK, so most likely they wouldnt agree on this. Seperate peace. The British retain Quebec and Newfoundland, and USA takes everything else. Then the Celtic revolts, and Essex the puppet found France invading what's left of Canada and giving it to him. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 17, 2016 20:05:22 GMT
Its possible that the U.S continues war with Britain until 1816, when France and the U.K make peace. It could then be very possible that France makes British cede Canada to the USA as part of the peace treaty. But agreeing on such threaty would mean death UK, so most likely they wouldnt agree on this. Yes, but if they didn't then the British would be embargoed by basically all of Europe and face possible French naval invasion. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 17, 2016 20:06:24 GMT
It's Essex. Essex and Wessex are two different places. Wessex was between Cornwall and London, Essex is in the SE corner of England, like where Dover and Canterbury was. Since the puppet only had that area and London, it should be called Essex. Lol, funny you mention this because I changed it right before I saw this comment as I realized my mistake. Oops. I was talking about Kent when I was talking about Dover. But then again, the puppet has both counties, so it doesn't matter now. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 17, 2016 20:06:57 GMT
But agreeing on such threaty would mean death UK, so most likely they wouldnt agree on this. Yes, but if they didn't then the British would be embargoed by basically all of Europe and face possible French naval invasion. Also, Essex owns Quebec and Newfoundland, As I proposed earlier. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 17, 2016 20:07:05 GMT
But agreeing on such threaty would mean death UK, so most likely they wouldnt agree on this. Seperate peace. The British retain Quebec and Newfoundland, and USA takes everything else. Then the Celtic revolts, and Essex the puppet found France invading what's left of Canada and giving it to him. Seems good, maybe France should take Quebec due to its large french speaking population? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 20:08:41 GMT
But agreeing on such threaty would mean death UK, so most likely they wouldnt agree on this. Yes, but if they didn't then the British would be embargoed by basically all of Europe and face possible French naval invasion. French didn't have the Navy for that, it would mean the war is longer, until early 20- until they has built big enough navy(British rules in Atlantic until then) |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 17, 2016 20:10:17 GMT
Seperate peace. The British retain Quebec and Newfoundland, and USA takes everything else. Then the Celtic revolts, and Essex the puppet found France invading what's left of Canada and giving it to him. Seems good, maybe France should take Quebec due to its large french speaking population? Sure! THe more Bordergore, the better! |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 17, 2016 20:10:46 GMT
Yes, but if they didn't then the British would be embargoed by basically all of Europe and face possible French naval invasion. French didn't have the Navy for that, it would mean the war is longer, until early 20- until they has built big enough navy(British rules in Atlantic until then) True, but we are talking about what would go on after the French sign a treaty with Britain, not how that wouldve happened. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 17, 2016 20:23:07 GMT
Karl Marx would have a similar early life, but would be kicked out of Napoleonic Europe c. 1940, then moving to to the US state of New York in Exile. The US, being way more liberal in this alternate timeline, welcomes him, and he drafts the first copy of the Communist Manifesto in an apartment in New York, 1848. However, it has much less effect in Europe as the Napoleons are more liberal, and the US kicks him out as well for inciting riots.
He spends the rest of his life in Essexian Newfoundland.
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Post by Washington on Aug 17, 2016 20:28:21 GMT
1817:Prussia exclaims anger over the expansion of the Confederation of the Rhine and demands France to return back to Pre-Tilsit status
after paying the indemnities it had faced in 1807. Napoleon wishing not to fight another war agrees to return back part of it's territory claimed from the duchy of Warsaw in 1807 yet stays firm on maintaining his brother's hold of the rhine, yet allows Prussia to claim territories in Hanover
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