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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 8:19:11 GMT
Ehh... A Ottoman-French war should also happen, no, Ivan Kolev ? Agreed Im a bit clustered with all the stuff you guys just did lol. Could one of you two please give a condensed explanation of all the stuff you guys said following the Whole Baltic Union thing? This is how they were founded 1843 Nationalist movements starts in Baltic and St. Petersburg 1850 Nationalist movements gains an idea of USA like country(federation) 1862 United States of Baltic are made with 4 States (Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Ingermland) 1866 after long debates Napoleon has no other choice as to make De jure USB as Sweden and Finland supports this country and France still remembers cold winters in northern Europe and doesn't want to risk of losing huge number in winter as they can't win in one summer. 1872 USB becomes one of the biggest economies as everybody uses their banking systems (like switz nowadays) Note Baltics wanted freedom long before Napoleonic, and this made it possible a lot earlier |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 8:20:12 GMT
No, you are free to add anything |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 18, 2016 10:46:25 GMT
Agreed Im a bit clustered with all the stuff you guys just did lol. Could one of you two please give a condensed explanation of all the stuff you guys said following the Whole Baltic Union thing? This is how they were founded 1843 Nationalist movements starts in Baltic and St. Petersburg 1850 Nationalist movements gains an idea of USA like country(federation) 1862 United States of Baltic are made with 4 States (Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Ingermland) 1866 after long debates Napoleon has no other choice as to make De jure USB as Sweden and Finland supports this country and France still remembers cold winters in northern Europe and doesn't want to risk of losing huge number in winter as they can't win in one summer. 1872 USB becomes one of the biggest economies as everybody uses their banking systems (like switz nowadays) Note Baltics wanted freedom long before Napoleonic, and this made it possible a lot earlier Okay, how about this: Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian rebels rise up simultaneously as a coordinate efforts and deal the French multiple defeats using guerrilla warfare. After 4 years of guerrilla warfare, Napoleon decides to negotiate. They agree to give the Baltic states independence, while the French take all Baltic islands in the Baltic sea and Memel, and Poland takes Vilnius. Afraid of being invaded by the Russians, they decide to unify, with Tallinn becoming their capital. They become a regional power and are not invaded ever again. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 18, 2016 11:01:06 GMT
This is how they were founded Note Baltics wanted freedom long before Napoleonic, and this made it possible a lot earlier Okay, how about this: Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian rebels rise up simultaneously as a coordinate efforts and deal the French multiple defeats using guerrilla warfare. After 4 years of guerrilla warfare, Napoleon decides to negotiate. They agree to give the Baltic states independence, while the French take all Baltic islands in the Baltic sea and Memel, and Poland takes Vilnius. Afraid of being invaded by the Russians, they decide to unify, with Tallinn becoming their capital. They become a regional power and are not invaded ever again. I agree! There needs to be a new swiss as Swiss is now French puppet state, and will probably be anschlussed. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 18, 2016 11:08:30 GMT
Okay, how about this: Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian rebels rise up simultaneously as a coordinate efforts and deal the French multiple defeats using guerrilla warfare. After 4 years of guerrilla warfare, Napoleon decides to negotiate. They agree to give the Baltic states independence, while the French take all Baltic islands in the Baltic sea and Memel, and Poland takes Vilnius. Afraid of being invaded by the Russians, they decide to unify, with Tallinn becoming their capital. They become a regional power and are not invaded ever again. I agree! There needs to be a new swiss as Swiss is now French puppet state, and will probably be anschlussed. Lets make South America important? Uruguay recovers from its civil wars by the 1880's, and invests heavily in banking. They state official neutrality and Montevideo becomes an incredibly important banking city. |
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 18, 2016 11:12:10 GMT
I agree! There needs to be a new swiss as Swiss is now French puppet state, and will probably be anschlussed. Lets make South America important? Uruguay recovers from its civil wars by the 1880's, and invests heavily in banking. They state official neutrality and Montevideo becomes an incredibly important banking city. Gran Columbia goes to war with France and UK, and unites the GUyanas. In Africa: Ethiopia, Morroco, and Dahomey receive Foreign Support and thus secure their realm, meaning that these 3 nations will not be colonised in the next round of imperialism to follow. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 11:26:45 GMT
This is how they were founded Note Baltics wanted freedom long before Napoleonic, and this made it possible a lot earlier Okay, how about this: Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian rebels rise up simultaneously as a coordinate efforts and deal the French multiple defeats using guerrilla warfare. After 4 years of guerrilla warfare, Napoleon decides to negotiate. They agree to give the Baltic states independence, while the French take all Baltic islands in the Baltic sea and Memel, and Poland takes Vilnius. Afraid of being invaded by the Russians, they decide to unify, with Tallinn becoming their capital. They become a regional power and are not invaded ever again. Tallinn is smaller than st. Petersburg not even talking about Riga... Also why would they fear from Russians when they defeated last $#%& out of them. About islands I can agree, but Vilnius is too deep in Lithuanian lands to be given to Polish when they already has a lot of Lithuanian lands... Also I said Scandinavia supported making this country and France fears winters + add beaten in guerrilla warfare, they doesn't have much of possibility to change much, so let's say France agrees to giving mainland lands, but not isles, and makes it a buffer state between Scandinavia and France and Russia stays Frances puppet state. |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 18, 2016 11:36:35 GMT
Okay, how about this: Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian rebels rise up simultaneously as a coordinate efforts and deal the French multiple defeats using guerrilla warfare. After 4 years of guerrilla warfare, Napoleon decides to negotiate. They agree to give the Baltic states independence, while the French take all Baltic islands in the Baltic sea and Memel, and Poland takes Vilnius. Afraid of being invaded by the Russians, they decide to unify, with Tallinn becoming their capital. They become a regional power and are not invaded ever again. Tallinn is smaller than st. Petersburg not even talking about Riga... Also why would they fear from Russians when they defeated last $#%& out of them. About islands I can agree, but Vilnius is too deep in Lithuanian lands to be given to Polish when they already has a lot of Lithuanian lands... Also I said Scandinavia supported making this country and France fears winters + add beaten in guerrilla warfare, they doesn't have much of possibility to change much, so let's say France agrees to giving mainland lands, but not isles, and makes it a buffer state between Scandinavia and France and Russia stays Frances puppet state. Well I'm not changing it to your way because your way is way too ahistorical. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:13:53 GMT
Tallinn is smaller than st. Petersburg not even talking about Riga... Also why would they fear from Russians when they defeated last $#%& out of them. About islands I can agree, but Vilnius is too deep in Lithuanian lands to be given to Polish when they already has a lot of Lithuanian lands... Also I said Scandinavia supported making this country and France fears winters + add beaten in guerrilla warfare, they doesn't have much of possibility to change much, so let's say France agrees to giving mainland lands, but not isles, and makes it a buffer state between Scandinavia and France and Russia stays Frances puppet state. Well I'm not changing it to your way because your way is way too ahistorical. Well Tallinn would never be capital here... Look at Livonian order, Riga was capital and if you give Lithuanian city to Poland, there is no other option actually. And its not that ahistorical than fighting in Russian winter unprepared and winning(this scenario) |
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Post by Ivan Kolev on Aug 18, 2016 12:19:50 GMT
Well I'm not changing it to your way because your way is way too ahistorical. Well Tallinn would never be capital here... Look at Livonian order, Riga was capital and if you give Lithuanian city to Poland, there is no other option actually. And its not that ahistorical than fighting in Russian winter unprepared and winning(this scenario) Okay, idc about the capital really, but none of that Trans-Siberian railway, banking, superpower stuff because they would never be able to become one. Still using my explanation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:36:00 GMT
Well Tallinn would never be capital here... Look at Livonian order, Riga was capital and if you give Lithuanian city to Poland, there is no other option actually. And its not that ahistorical than fighting in Russian winter unprepared and winning(this scenario) Okay, idc about the capital really, but none of that Trans-Siberian railway, banking, superpower stuff because they would never be able to become one. Still using my explanation. That trans Siberian idea comes from Quintus FabiusBut banking country it would very much become possible, as distance from Berlin to Riga ≈ Riga to Moscow, Warsaw to Riga≈ Riga to Stockholm, Paris to Riga≈ Istanbul to Riga etc... And France needs safety because of possible revolutions, Scandinavia needs safety from France, USB gets safety because of needs of safety and stability from other sides... |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Aug 18, 2016 12:36:51 GMT
What year is it? I wanted to add that Napoleon could've invaded India in 1798 had Egypt fallen, he could've teamed with Tipu Sultan to fight and drive back the British. This could've changed Indian history forever but eh.....
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Post by Quintus Fabius on Aug 18, 2016 12:37:39 GMT
Okay, idc about the capital really, but none of that Trans-Siberian railway, banking, superpower stuff because they would never be able to become one. Still using my explanation. That trans Siberian idea comes from Quintus Fabius But banking country it would very much become possible, as distance from Berlin to Riga ≈ Riga to Moscow, Warsaw to Riga≈ Riga to Stockholm, Paris to Riga≈ Istanbul to Riga etc... And France needs safety because of possible revolutions, Scandinavia needs safety from France, USB gets safety because of needs of safety and stability from other sides... My Sibir railway can only be possible with a stronk nation. In this case, switch it so Kalmar (danish Scandinavia), UK companies, and the USB all jointly raise funds, as each want a piece of the crumbling russia. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:41:59 GMT
What year is it? I wanted to add that Napoleon could've invaded India in 1798 had Egypt fallen, he could've teamed with Tipu Sultan to fight and drive back the British. This could've changed Indian history forever but eh..... Sherman started with 1812, so from it to nowadays what could happen. |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Aug 18, 2016 12:53:13 GMT
What year is it? I wanted to add that Napoleon could've invaded India in 1798 had Egypt fallen, he could've teamed with Tipu Sultan to fight and drive back the British. This could've changed Indian history forever but eh..... Sherman started with 1812, so from it to nowadays what could happen. well.... |
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