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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Oct 31, 2016 3:36:31 GMT
hmm. I take it you, the naval commander of the three provinces, disagree with my dismissal of the Korean states ability to expand in the same dead generation of Yi sun sin. unless you have other interests. Is he really in EW5? too bad cleopatra is not in EW4 maybe he could be compared to Nelson, like historians do. there appears to be maria and those other gens. Maybe I should just commit seppuku so I am not completely annihilated by your amazing counter-stroke. I wait, in fear. Though I will say that if ignoring global impacts outside Korea, as far as I know he could make a difference trading on his glory. However in his history his political opponents had him tortured and demoted to foot soldier twice, so I don't know how far his admittedly much greater achievement would take him. Yi Sun Sin is Korean Admiral Yi? *facepalm* I knew who he was all along. |
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Post by Tariq ibn Ziyad on Nov 14, 2016 10:59:41 GMT
Soedirman, aged 45-46
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Nov 14, 2016 15:48:31 GMT
What did he do during his career? |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 14, 2016 20:09:56 GMT
What did he do during his career? Judging from Tariq ibn Ziyad , profile name and picture, I imagine his main accomplishment is being from Indonesia Nonetheless, a quick wikipedia search finds that he fought for the Japanese to liberate his homeland from the dutch, and after ww2 led a successful revolution against Allied Dutch and english forces. He suffered a collasped lung from Tuberculosis, and after a relapse died one month after full independence. |
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Post by Tariq ibn Ziyad on Nov 14, 2016 23:44:10 GMT
What did he do during his career? Judging from Tariq ibn Ziyad , profile name and picture, I imagine his main accomplishment is being from Indonesia Nonetheless, a quick wikipedia search finds that he fought for the Japanese to liberate his homeland from the dutch, and after ww2 led a successful revolution against Allied Dutch and english forces. He suffered a collasped lung from Tuberculosis, and after a relapse died one month after full independence. He is "Bapak TNI" Indonesian for Father of TNI (Indonesian National Soldiers), and has the higher rank in Indonesian military history after President |
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Post by Jean-Luc Picard on Nov 14, 2016 23:53:13 GMT
Judging from Tariq ibn Ziyad , profile name and picture, I imagine his main accomplishment is being from Indonesia Nonetheless, a quick wikipedia search finds that he fought for the Japanese to liberate his homeland from the dutch, and after ww2 led a successful revolution against Allied Dutch and english forces. He suffered a collasped lung from Tuberculosis, and after a relapse died one month after full independence. He is "Bapak TNI" Indonesian for Father of TNI (Indonesian National Soldiers), and has the higher rank in Indonesian military history after President And what accomplishments in particular battles did he have, if I may ask? |
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Post by Tariq ibn Ziyad on Nov 15, 2016 0:10:56 GMT
He is "Bapak TNI" Indonesian for Father of TNI (Indonesian National Soldiers), and has the higher rank in Indonesian military history after President And what accomplishments in particular battles did he have, if I may ask? He led Indonesian army and civilian volunteer fight the Dutch and Allies with guerilla during REMOVED. Walking more than 200km in Java. He was sick when guerilla so he walked with hand barrow. The world was believe TNI is gone, Indonesia is destroyed. Because Tariq ibn Ziyad returned from guerilla to capital Yogyakarta (because Jakarta is dangerous) Indonesia and Holland get to Den Haag, talking about sovereign of Indonesia
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Post by Tariq ibn Ziyad on Nov 15, 2016 0:12:38 GMT
And what accomplishments in particular battles did he have, if I may ask? He led Indonesian army and civilian volunteer fight the Dutch and Allies with guerilla during REMOVED. Walking more than 200km in Java. He was sick when guerilla so he walked with hand barrow. The world was believe TNI is gone, Indonesia is destroyed. Because Tariq ibn Ziyad returned from guerilla to capital Yogyakarta (because Jakarta is dangerous) Indonesia and Holland get to Den Haag, talking about sovereign of Indonesia He fought Battle of Ambarawa when he was Colonel/ L Colonel. UK was defeated |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 15, 2016 10:37:05 GMT
He led Indonesian army and civilian volunteer fight the Dutch and Allies with guerilla during REMOVED. Walking more than 200km in Java. He was sick when guerilla so he walked with hand barrow. The world was believe TNI is gone, Indonesia is destroyed. Because Tariq ibn Ziyad returned from guerilla to capital Yogyakarta (because Jakarta is dangerous) Indonesia and Holland get to Den Haag, talking about sovereign of Indonesia He fought Battle of Ambarawa when he was Colonel/ L Colonel. UK was defeated I know that the Indonesians doesn't like the Dutch because of what they did, but was the Japanese any better after that? Just curious. |
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Post by saltin on Nov 15, 2016 11:52:34 GMT
OOT:let's keep this thread on topic and not change it into nations bashing.
Almost no major nation or empire is without blame so let's not dwell into that,our forum tries to be politically correct and not blame anyone.
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Nov 15, 2016 12:05:38 GMT
I'm still with Rommel!
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 15, 2016 12:17:32 GMT
OOT:let's keep this thread on topic and not change it into nations bashing. Almost no major nation or empire is without blame so let's not dwell into that,our forum tries to be politically correct and not blame anyone. I know that, and that was sort of the reason I asked in the first place. I was thinking of something similar to the Mexican tribes that sided with Cortez... at first, and Baltic states calling Nazi Germans "Liberators"... at first. |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 15, 2016 12:20:46 GMT
Definitely one of the most famous and popular generals that "died too soon" |
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Post by Laurent de Gouvion on Nov 15, 2016 12:40:08 GMT
He fought Battle of Ambarawa when he was Colonel/ L Colonel. UK was defeated I know that the Indonesians doesn't like the Dutch because of what they did, but was the Japanese any better after that? Just curious. No. The Japanese occupation was met with celebration. However, the occupation forces implemented policies which killled many Indonesians. Romusha, which was forced labor, killed hundreds of thousands of Indonesians. Of course, the occupation also obligated planting for war, which led to famines. A famine in 1944-1945 Java killed 2.4 million people. A UN report suggested the occupation killed 4 million. 4 million in the scope of 3 years. However, there was no notable cases of genocide. I still believe Indonesia was saved from the worst (the Allies hadn't landed in many places) contrary to Manila, where 100,000 civillians were killed during the battle for it. If an Allied force went deep to Indonesia, the Japanese should surely fight to the last man, which would also leave many casualties to Indonesia. Though in other aspects, the Japanese did a lot for Indonesia. The Indonesian Constitution was drafted in a Japanese-sponsored body (BPUPKI). The beginnings of an Indonesian army came from PETA officers. PETA was a Japanese organization as well. Art organizations also were made, as well as religous and ethnic organizations. In fact, Proklamasi (Indonesian Declaration of Independence) was written in a Japanese admiral's house (I think a rear admiral). Back on topic, on Sudirman...... He defeated the British in Ambarawa after Lieutenant Colonel Isdiman (the actual commander there) was killed by a P-51. His tactic was simply a double envelopment, dubbed "sapit udang". Sudirman was also a great guerilla leader. He led his men while sick, which I assume would have been a huge morale boost. The "Long March" to West Java in late 1948-1949 also was led competently by him. On 1 March 1949, he also led an attack on Yogyakarta, which was more of a propaganda victory than a tactical one, which showed that Indonesia still existed as a nation. There are, or were three Generals of the Army in Indonesia. Sudirman, Nasution, and Suharto. |
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Nov 15, 2016 12:45:40 GMT
hmm. I take it you, the naval commander of the three provinces, disagree with my dismissal of the Korean states ability to expand in the same dead generation of Yi sun sin. unless you have other interests. Is he really in EW5? too bad cleopatra is not in EW4 maybe he could be compared to Nelson, like historians do. there appears to be maria and those other gens. Maybe I should just commit seppuku so I am not completely annihilated by your amazing counter-stroke. I wait, in fear. Though I will say that if ignoring global impacts outside Korea, as far as I know he could make a difference trading on his glory. However in his history his political opponents had him tortured and demoted to foot soldier twice, so I don't know how far his admittedly much greater achievement would take him. Totally forgot about this.  Anyway, usually after a war the war heros usually take control of the country. Josoen was a weird case, all the war heros just died off and the guerrilla leaders got executed for treason I think it was. Yes, he was demoted twice. The first time was when he was in the north, he refused to bribe his superiors. His superiors became jealous of his great victories and accused him of treason. (Which is absurd) so technically, he wasn't tortured by his political opponents but a few annoying generals. The second demotion was the result of Sonjo being a ****head. He was tricked by the japanese and sent Yi Sun Sin on what was essentially a suicide mission. Yi obviously didn't follow orders and was demoted and tortured once again. This time, he was demoted by the king being dumb and not his political opponents. What could he have done if yi survived you may ask? When the orders to retreat from korea were sent to the japanese warlords, their number one goal was to safely ship as many men as possible back to japan as hideyosi had died and his son was only a child. This meant only one thing:civil war. By destroying the rest of the japanese warlords' armies, yi sun sin would have changed the history of japan somehow and possibly could have taken Tsushima Island. |
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Anyway, usually after a war the war heros usually take control of the country. Josoen was a weird case, all the war heros just died off and the guerrilla leaders got executed for treason I think it was. Yes, he was demoted twice. The first time was when he was in the north, he refused to bribe his superiors. His superiors became jealous of his great victories and accused him of treason. (Which is absurd) so technically, he wasn't tortured by his political opponents but a few annoying generals. The second demotion was the result of Sonjo being a ****head. He was tricked by the japanese and sent Yi Sun Sin on what was essentially a suicide mission. Yi obviously didn't follow orders and was demoted and tortured once again. This time, he was demoted by the king being dumb and not his political opponents. 
