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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 15, 2016 12:50:57 GMT
hmm. I take it you, the naval commander of the three provinces, disagree with my dismissal of the Korean states ability to expand in the same dead generation of Yi sun sin. unless you have other interests. Is he really in EW5? too bad cleopatra is not in EW4 maybe he could be compared to Nelson, like historians do. there appears to be maria and those other gens. Maybe I should just commit seppuku so I am not completely annihilated by your amazing counter-stroke. I wait, in fear. Though I will say that if ignoring global impacts outside Korea, as far as I know he could make a difference trading on his glory. However in his history his political opponents had him tortured and demoted to foot soldier twice, so I don't know how far his admittedly much greater achievement would take him. Totally forgot about this.  Anyway, usually after a war the war heros usually take control of the country. Josoen was a weird case, all the war heros just died off and the guerrilla leaders got executed for treason I think it was. Yes, he was demoted twice. The first time was when he was in the north, he refused to bribe his superiors. His superiors became jealous of his great victories and accused him of treason. (Which is absurd) so technically, he wasn't tortured by his political opponents but a few annoying generals. The second demotion was the result of Sonjo being a ****head. He was tricked by the japanese and sent Yi Sun Sin on what was essentially a suicide mission. Yi obviously didn't follow orders and was demoted and tortured once again. This time, he was demoted by the king being dumb and not his political opponents. What could he have done if yi survived you may ask? When the orders to retreat from korea were sent to the japanese warlords, their number one goal was to ship safely ship as many men as possible back to japan as hideyosi had died and his son was only a child. This meant only one thing:civil war. By destroying the rest of the japanese warlords' armies, yi sun sin would have changed the history of japan somehow and possibly could have taken Tsushima Island. I only know about Admiral Yi from the Extra History episodes from Youtube channel Extra Credits. |
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Nov 15, 2016 12:55:46 GMT
I only know about Admiral Yi from the Extra History episodes from Youtube channel Extra Credits. I was really surprised they actually bothered to make videos of him. |
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Post by Tariq ibn Ziyad on Nov 15, 2016 13:12:08 GMT
He fought Battle of Ambarawa when he was Colonel/ L Colonel. UK was defeated I know that the Indonesians doesn't like the Dutch because of what they did, but was the Japanese any better after that? Just curious. No, we don't hate them.
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 15, 2016 13:24:21 GMT
I know that the Indonesians doesn't like the Dutch because of what they did, but was the Japanese any better after that? Just curious. No, we don't hate them. I don't think so. Only disrespectful/hate ones. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 15, 2016 13:43:18 GMT
In most wars that involves invasions of already colonized countries, there will be people who see it as liberation. If the invading country is worse, many will change their minds (in some sad cases their countries never become free and are found only in history books, not what i was thinking of but spains anti-aztec allies aren't around anymore) while some people defend their conquerors longer than is wise (in sudirmans case, the dutch DID come back)
I think every other japanese colony shows that life in indonesia would not be perfect if it remained one. (Edit, Im pretty sure indonesia was coveted for its oil, and my theory was correct: indonesians appreciated japan less as time went on. However the japanese politically enfranchised down to the village level, so that the dutch faced nationalism upon their return)
Can anyone explain why bagration is an option, yet got no votes?
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 15, 2016 14:46:05 GMT
I don't think we should hate the dutch, or the japanese, or the germans for that matter, since ww2 was so long ago only the oldest have the possibility!, of being involved in any horrors. However I don''t think we should forget, and at least outside the forum, refrain from discussing each groups, err, impact. As not all crimes are equal.
Now excuse me as I read my favourite book series newest book, which started in the Pacific war. Maybe do some farming in 3kingdoms.
BTW, I read that bagration died at the battle of borodino, in 1812. Since im more impressed with his conduct there than Kutuzov if I remembered correctly, and since the war was far from over, I can see why someone would say bagration died too early. However he received no votes.
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Post by Franz von Hipper on Nov 17, 2016 17:27:54 GMT
This thread is still alive?
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Nov 17, 2016 18:06:30 GMT
This thread is still alive? Da, is ancient nao. |
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Post by Franz von Hipper on Nov 17, 2016 18:15:00 GMT
This thread is still alive? Da, is ancient nao. More ancient than the actual Mackensen |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 18, 2016 1:18:54 GMT
This thread is still alive? Da, is ancient nao. UGHhHHHHHFHFUGH *ancient veins pop in weathered head* we may be but ancient, but bring us we old musket-rifle, and boche heads will roll!!! We die, A COLOSSUS!!! I nominate the august von Mackensen (see what I did there) as number one general who died too soon. *serious face* |
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Post by Yi Sun Sin on Nov 22, 2016 22:08:41 GMT
Definitely one of the most famous and popular generals that "died too soon" I think the best Rommel could have done was to become a military advisor of germany after the war like manstein or guderian. sorry rommel fans  |
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Post by Der Kaiserreich on Nov 23, 2016 1:09:50 GMT
Definitely one of the most famous and popular generals that "died too soon" I think the best Rommel could have done was to become a military advisor of germany after the war like manstein or guderian. sorry rommel fans It doesn't matter what he becomes after the war. He live longer, his wife's happy, his son's happy, the German's are happy, we're happy. Fun fact: Rommel's son became a German politician. |
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Post by Imperial RomeBall on Nov 23, 2016 1:43:46 GMT
Definitely one of the most famous and popular generals that "died too soon" I think the best Rommel could have done was to become a military advisor of germany after the war like manstein or guderian. sorry rommel fans To quote myself a million years ago in this thread "Also, I think rommel is weird as the war was over, but hey, maybe he would be allowed to reform the german army." Also, to the comment before this one, Would we really be happy having the thing we cannot have? (Heck yes. People like to say happiness is unattainable, and its true people would forget how good they have it, but I believe that its generally better to attain that higher state. However in this case, would his survival add or subtract to the disillusioned.) |
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Post by Commander Vinnie on Dec 11, 2016 16:37:54 GMT
Erwin Rommel, because he was a very skilled General in the desert and other environments
Erwin should be the number one in this list
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Post by Frederick the Great on Dec 11, 2016 23:39:15 GMT
Erwin Rommel, because he was a very skilled General in the desert and other environments,and stayed very loyal to the fuehrer and denied to be member of the plot to kill Hitler. Erwin should be the number one in this list Erm that's not true. He was made to commit suicicde by Hitler because he was involved in the plot. The only reason he took no part was because he was recovering from injuries sustained from been strafed by a British fighter at the time the plot was going into action. |
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Anyway, usually after a war the war heros usually take control of the country. Josoen was a weird case, all the war heros just died off and the guerrilla leaders got executed for treason I think it was. Yes, he was demoted twice. The first time was when he was in the north, he refused to bribe his superiors. His superiors became jealous of his great victories and accused him of treason. (Which is absurd) so technically, he wasn't tortured by his political opponents but a few annoying generals. The second demotion was the result of Sonjo being a ****head. He was tricked by the japanese and sent Yi Sun Sin on what was essentially a suicide mission. Yi obviously didn't follow orders and was demoted and tortured once again. This time, he was demoted by the king being dumb and not his political opponents. 
