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Post by Suvorov on Oct 1, 2015 5:34:24 GMT
So we are suppose to answer the five questions or are you answering them? They have alreeds been answered but you can ask questions, whuch I will answer |
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 1, 2015 5:35:39 GMT
A couple of reasons, which I will go over now. Keep in mind that it definetely goes further than this, but I'm going to talk about the final days of the Ottomans. Five wars really weakened the Ottomans:Russo-Turkish War of 1878, Italo-Turkish War, First Balkan War, WWI and the Turkish Wars of Independence. The Russo-Turkish War resulted in the Turks losing control of Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Cyprus, Greek and Armenian lands as well as being forced to create two puppet states for Bulgaria. In other words, the Russians kicked their Tale. The Italo-Turkish war caused the loss of the Dodecanese and Tripolitania to Italy. Italy's victory over the Ottomans inspired the Balkan states of Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria (now independent and unified), and Greece to attack the Ottomans and kick them out of the Balkans. Italy was seen as the weakest of the great European powers, so to see them absolutely destroy the ottomans in only a year or so made the ottomans look weak (which they were). The Balkan nations took the land from the dying empire and all the ottoman European lands were taken (side note:The ottomans did gain Thrace back in the Second Balkan War which was in 1913, only a year after the 1st). WWI saw multiple military defeats for the Turks, resulting in the Russians and British wrecking them and causing them to surrender. The Treaty of Sevres was signed to deal with the Ottomans. Here's the basic just of what the treaty said:The ottomans could only have like 50,000 troops, italy was to take southern Anatolia, Greece was gonna take Thrace and Izmir, France would take salicia, and Armenian lands would be given to Armenia. The Ottomans would only have control of a small region around Ankara. Istanbul become a Demilitarized zone like the Rheinland in Germany (there were also other parts of the treaty talking about the Caucasus and Arabia, but that doesn't matter about Turkey). The Turkish people were outraged and a group was formed that was created to unite the Turkish regions known as The Turkish National Congress. This was led by Kemal Ataturk. They took back their lands from Armenia, France and Greece. (Italy pulled out of the treaty due to disputes with Greece). They also defeated the remains of the Ottoman army. The treaty of Lousanne was signed in Switzerland in 1923 which resulted in the republic of turkey being recognized by all of Europe (the Republic of turkey is the Turkish National Congress), with the Ottomans no longer being recognized by anyone. With no land, no army, no sultan, no recognition, no anything, the Ottoman Empire then ceased to exist by 1923. exactly! Where did you learn all this? |
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Post by kanue on Oct 1, 2015 5:57:32 GMT
1 Well, this's gonna be long.
2 USSR
3 Poland
4 Nazism/Fascist vs Communist
5 Wilhelm Gustloff
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Oct 1, 2015 6:10:13 GMT
the ottoman army was deefeated tremendously by the Russians and the British, the ottomans also had gradually lost all of north Africa with Egypt to the Brits, Libya to Italy and Algeria to the French ( forget morocco aka marrakesh by the locals it was way out of the reach of the turks).
administration was in poor condition, the sultans were more or less interested in making new palaces, indulged in all the activities which they weren't supposed to (being drunk and all such), the ministers had ruined the country completely, the sultans basically inherited a diverse country but they couldn't do much all thanks to the Parliament which made the laws and not the sultan.
Europe was by now completely unified to get the Turks out of it.That is why the Balkans got united (which was once all under their rule), the Balkans cooperated with the the french, British, Russians and that's how the ottoman empire lost.
in such a condition, the muslims all over the world were baffled, british wanted to fight the turks, but the british-indian-Muslims oppoesed, nevertheless, british fought and defeated the Turks,the ottoman empire was dissolved and the modern turkey was formed (all thanks to mustafa-kemal-pasa-ataturk)
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Oct 1, 2015 6:20:17 GMT
1) don't know this.
2) the jews, we all know that poland had tonns of them before the war and after the war not many were left.
3) obviously poland, though there were camps everywhere but poland had the most.
4) nazism vs communism all thanks to hitler's book (mein kampf)
5) don't know this one as well.
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 1, 2015 9:45:02 GMT
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Oct 1, 2015 9:51:24 GMT
the hell did you write man?? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 11:00:53 GMT
No I wasn't referring to middle eastern people's as rats, I was simply using the saying, rats fleeing from a sinking ship, it's a very common saying used to talk about doom and hopelessness just like the Ottoman situation in 20th century, I too am middle eastern Christian so itd be dumb to offend my own race.
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Post by lassalle on Oct 1, 2015 11:49:03 GMT
So the Ottoman then.
Here is my question:why such a huge empire kept loosing so many wars.They fell behind in technology? Bad generals? How exactly they loose all these battles.
I mean to build such a huge empire you have to conquer and submit other nations to your will by military might,so wth happen to that might?!
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Post by Moreau on Oct 1, 2015 12:33:59 GMT
So the Ottoman then. Here is my question:why such a huge empire kept loosing so many wars.They fell behind in technology? Bad generals? How exactly they loose all these battles. I mean to build such a huge empire you have to conquer and submit other nations to your will by military might,so wth happen to that might?! also the arabs rebelled against them |
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 1, 2015 15:13:47 GMT
So the Ottoman then. Here is my question:why such a huge empire kept loosing so many wars.They fell behind in technology? Bad generals? How exactly they loose all these battles. I mean to build such a huge empire you have to conquer and submit other nations to your will by military might,so wth happen to that might?! They were modernized, then radical muslim advisors turned the modernization back. Extremely stupid. |
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Post by Hassan The Ottoman on Oct 1, 2015 17:02:11 GMT
The Ottoman empire was dissolved mainly because of the Turkish revolt itself (The Young turk revolution) who wanted the empire to care about the turks only while the Sultans were the CALIPHS and they wanted to care for all the muslims.
Secondly, The sultans were busy in creating new palaces.. One of their palace (Dolmabahçe) was made by taking LOANS from other countries!!!
Thirdly, the arabs wanted to make their own Caliphate, and while the Sultans were thinking only about the SO CALLED muslim nation, the Arabs were planning to kick the Turks out of their land. In WWI The British had asked the Arabs to support them in the war and then, an ARAB CALIPHATE will be created by the British. But the British did not implement on their promise and Both, the Ottoman empire and the Muslim nation (Ummah) were dissolved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 22:36:10 GMT
Yeah the British made too much promises against the Ottomans such as Armenians and Assyrians etc, Assyrians were promised their former land back as a Christian nation but the Ottomans massacred millions of Christian middle easterns.
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Post by bottlesofbeer on Oct 2, 2015 1:55:42 GMT
So, how did it start? Why did the Allies get their asses kicked so badly? How come the Allies could win WW2 after their major losses? My take on this: *Poland refused ceding the danzing (sp) region,so Germany attacked,France and Britain had no choice but to declare war on Germany since they were bound by a defense treaty with Poland. *They simply were not prepared for war as they didn't think Hitler would push it as far as he did. Having a prepared strong military is hugely expensive for any country,they didnt think they needed to spend the ressources. *In the end it came down to: > man power,Germany simply did not have enough population for a global war,the Russians on the other hand did. >Ressources:again while the germans had excellent industrial capacity and war technology they didn't actually have enough raw material to produce the huge quantity of tanks/aircrafts that was needed,fuel was often a problem too. |
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 2, 2015 2:01:45 GMT
I think Japan really screwed over Germany. If they didn't attack Pearl Harbor and get the USA involved, Germany might have been successful.
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