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Post by Haelicon on Oct 3, 2015 6:13:02 GMT
What if hitler never ordered a halt in the battle of dunkirk no matter of the troops needed resupply Churchill (the new PM) might have been dismissed and someone ready to sign a treaty might have taken his spot thus putting the UK out of the war. Yep, 300.000 troops is staggering. All of that prisoners could be the ace card to force Britain for peace. But if Churchill stays as the PM, all Germany needs is just an another disaster to force Churchill out, and that is The Atlantic war. |
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Post by Napoleon Bonaparte on Oct 4, 2015 11:48:43 GMT
Ok guys, you requested a thread in which I will Enlighten your souls with my staggering knowledge! I don't really know how to begin, but here's the deal: I'll deal with anything that is asked. Main topic is WW2. So, how did it start? Why did the Allies get their asses kicked so badly? How come the Allies could win WW2 after their major losses? I'm mainly going to deal with Europe and North America as that is where most visitors and members are interested in. I'll move chronologically: From the begin of WW2 untill the end of the war... and beyond! Feel free to ask me questions! There are a lot of prejudices about WW2. At the beginning of a presentation about WW2, I always ask 5 things, after which the audience makes wild guesses and then becomes deadly silent. Here they follow: 1. What were the 10 biggest battles in WW2? 2. Which country, ethnicity or religion suffered the most casualties in numbers? 3. Which country had the biggest concentration camps? 4. Which main political ideas battled for supremacy? 5. Which sunken ship produced the highest amount of casualties? I'll try to make my answers as interesting and relevant as possible. you yourself haven't answered, why??? |
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 4, 2015 12:13:35 GMT
1. Battle of Berlin, Battle of Stalingrad, Operation Bagration, Operation Barbarossa, Fall Gelb, Battle of Moscow, Battle of Narva, Second Battle of Kharkov, Battle of Kursk (Operation Zitadelle), Operation Overlord.
2. Soviet-Union suffered by far the most casualties, while Bellorussia suffered the most casualties in terms of percentage. This is due to the fact that the two biggest battles raged over this countries (Operation Barbarossa and Operation Bagration)
3. Soviet-Union! Very surprising because everyone learned at primary and high-school that Germany had them, while the USSR had far bigger concentration camps than Auschwitz.
4. Capitalism (Western Countries) Communism (USSR and Mao Zedong's Communist China) National-Socialism (Germany) and imperialism (Imperial Japan).
5. The Wilhelm Gustloff was shot in 1945 by a Soviet submarine, while there were only wounded people and refugees on board.
Sorry I couldn't reply earlier, I was working on my work of promotion (The Warsaw uprisings and why the Soviets couldn't and wouldn't help them)
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 4, 2015 12:53:43 GMT
1. Battle of Berlin, Battle of Stalingrad, Operation Bagration, Operation Barbarossa, Fall Gelb, Battle of Moscow, Battle of Narva, Second Battle of Kharkov, Battle of Kursk (Operation Zitadelle), Operation Overlord. 2. Soviet-Union suffered by far the most casualties, while Bellorussia suffered the most casualties in terms of percentage. This is due to the fact that the two biggest battles raged over this countries (Operation Barbarossa and Operation Bagration) 3. Soviet-Union! Very surprising because everyone learned at primary and high-school that Germany had them, while the USSR had far bigger concentration camps than Auschwitz. 4. Capitalism (Western Countries) Communism (USSR and Mao Zedong's Communist China) National-Socialism (Germany) and imperialism (Imperial Japan). 5. The Wilhelm Gustloff was shot in 1945 by a Soviet submarine, while there were only wounded people and refugees on board. Sorry I couldn't reply earlier, I was working on my work of promotion (The Warsaw uprisings and why the Soviets couldn't and wouldn't help them) Im pretty sure most of us figured Poland for #3. All though I might have been thinking of Death Camps. (Also, Auschwitz wasn't a concentration camp, it was a death camp). Also, here's some questions for all of you: 1.Which country willingly gave up their Jews to Germany prior to WWII? 2.How many countries signed the Tripartite Pact? 3.Which neutral country sent a division of troops to the eastern front to help Germany? 4.Which Axis country refused to give the Jews inside their borders to Germany, but did give them the Jews from their occupied land? |
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 4, 2015 13:09:40 GMT
1. Battle of Berlin, Battle of Stalingrad, Operation Bagration, Operation Barbarossa, Fall Gelb, Battle of Moscow, Battle of Narva, Second Battle of Kharkov, Battle of Kursk (Operation Zitadelle), Operation Overlord. 2. Soviet-Union suffered by far the most casualties, while Bellorussia suffered the most casualties in terms of percentage. This is due to the fact that the two biggest battles raged over this countries (Operation Barbarossa and Operation Bagration) 3. Soviet-Union! Very surprising because everyone learned at primary and high-school that Germany had them, while the USSR had far bigger concentration camps than Auschwitz. 4. Capitalism (Western Countries) Communism (USSR and Mao Zedong's Communist China) National-Socialism (Germany) and imperialism (Imperial Japan). 5. The Wilhelm Gustloff was shot in 1945 by a Soviet submarine, while there were only wounded people and refugees on board. Sorry I couldn't reply earlier, I was working on my work of promotion (The Warsaw uprisings and why the Soviets couldn't and wouldn't help them) Im pretty sure most of us figured Poland for #3. All though I might have been thinking of Death Camps. (Also, Auschwitz wasn't a concentration camp, it was a death camp). Also, here's some questions for all of you: 1.Which country willingly gave up their Jews to Germany prior to WWII? 2.How many countries signed the Tripartite Pact? 3.Which neutral country sent a division of troops to the eastern front to help Germany? 4.Which Axis country refused to give the Jews inside their borders to Germany, but did give them the Jews from their occupied land? 1. Checho-Slovakia 2. 9 in total. First Germany, Japan and Italy. During the first few years of the war, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Croatia and Yugoslavia signed it. 3. Spain: The Blue (Azula) division which fought astonishingly good during an attack from the Soviets. 4. Bulgaria, I thought. But Rommel also refused to give Jews in North-Africa to Germany |
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Post by General William T. Sherman on Oct 4, 2015 13:54:31 GMT
Im pretty sure most of us figured Poland for #3. All though I might have been thinking of Death Camps. (Also, Auschwitz wasn't a concentration camp, it was a death camp). Also, here's some questions for all of you: 1.Which country willingly gave up their Jews to Germany prior to WWII? 2.How many countries signed the Tripartite Pact? 3.Which neutral country sent a division of troops to the eastern front to help Germany? 4.Which Axis country refused to give the Jews inside their borders to Germany, but did give them the Jews from their occupied land? 1. Checho-Slovakia 2. 9 in total. First Germany, Japan and Italy. During the first few years of the war, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Croatia and Yugoslavia signed it. 3. Spain: The Blue (Azula) division which fought astonishingly good during an attack from the Soviets. 4. Bulgaria, I thought. But Rommel also refused to give Jews in North-Africa to Germany 1.Slovakia (Realistically, you're right but the Slovak puppet gov't gave them their Jews without the Germans ordering them to.) 2.9 3.Spain 4.Bulgaria is correct. Rommel may have refused to give the Jews in N.Africa to Germany, but that's not a sovereign nation I'd say. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 4, 2015 22:30:59 GMT
All though I might have been thinking of Death Camps. (Also, Auschwitz wasn't a concentration camp, it was a death camp). Auschwitz was a KZ, Birkenau was the death camp and Monowitz a KZ as well. |
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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 5, 2015 1:23:11 GMT
I have a question:
What would have happend if the Ottomans captured Vienna in 1529 or 1683?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 2:46:49 GMT
The Ottomans were strong in the Middle East, but in Europe, no, If the Ottomans took Vienna it would've been a much bigger battle with higher casualties, although they were at their peak I don't believe their troops possessed the physical strength and ability to adapt to European warfare, it would have been much harder to govern over their occupied European areas compared to Arab areas as the population is much higher in Europe, sooner or later they would've been forced to retreat.
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Post by Jean Lannes on Oct 5, 2015 3:03:13 GMT
The Ottomans were strong in the Middle East, but in Europe, no, If the Ottomans took Vienna it would've been a much bigger battle with higher casualties, although they were at their peak I don't believe their troops possessed the physical strength and ability to adapt to European warfare, it would have been much harder to govern over their occupied European areas compared to Arab areas as the population is much higher in Europe, sooner or later they would've been forced to retreat. Your whole arguement makes sense in 1683, but in 1529 the Ottomans were one of the most modernised country in the whole world. Governing European places wouldn't be harder actually. They were already controlling the Balkan which just broke apart because of Nationalism which back then wasn't the an issue. I personally would see the Ottomans allying with France (what they did in 1535) and maybe later with Gustavus II. Adolphus to conquer the rest of Prussia and Russia. |
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Post by lassalle on Oct 5, 2015 4:45:15 GMT
In terms of WW2 so many of us in the west focus on what happened in our theater,but I think it's fair to say the great majority of the fighting in terms of sheer numbers,casualties,biggest battles,material,artillery pieces deployed and tanks,number of divisions,scale of the military operations all happened on the eastern front with possibly a few exceptions.
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 5, 2015 13:44:44 GMT
In terms of WW2 so many of us in the west focus on what happened in our theater,but I think it's fair to say the great majority of the fighting in terms of sheer numbers,casualties,biggest battles,material,artillery pieces deployed and tanks,number of divisions,scale of the military operations all happened on the eastern front with possibly a few exceptions. Battle of Budapest between Soviet and Germans was far bigger than Overlord, but it is never mentioned in history books. Just like the Battle of Khalkin-Gol, while it was a major battle between Soviet and Japanese Forces. |
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Post by Mountbatten on Oct 5, 2015 13:51:12 GMT
Overlord sounds like the coolest one to me. "We're gonna bust up inside Germany and reclaim France! Let's go everybody!"
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Post by Suvorov on Oct 5, 2015 16:31:10 GMT
Overlord sounds like the coolest one to me. "We're gonna bust up inside Germany and reclaim France! Let's go everybody!" Because Mountbatten was involved in it? He did a hell of a job there! |
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Post by Moreau on Oct 5, 2015 16:35:41 GMT
His navy was awsome
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