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Post by andrei on Nov 7, 2017 7:43:49 GMT
Techs difference - different unit's attack base AA lvl difference - different unit's attack buff and as we investigated PL impact is different That explains everything. IDK why You are so surprised in different figures. Well... May Vatutin has better percentage increase actually than Leonid Govorov 's Guderian  There is no logic in it. Last possible influencial reason is unit's defense. For pure experiment Your skills must be the same, You must use same unit and attack same unit (otherwise we do not know how much damage unit's defense negated in Your experiment and in his) |
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Post by stoic on Nov 7, 2017 7:48:22 GMT
Well... May Vatutin has better percentage increase actually than Leonid Govorov 's Guderian There is no logic in it. Last possible influencial reason is unit's defense. For pure experiment Your skills must be the same, You must use same unit and attack same unit (otherwise we do not know how much damage unit's defense negated in Your experiment and in his) Today Leonid Govorov tested Destination Berlin (as I did) and attacked the same unit  |
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Post by andrei on Nov 7, 2017 7:50:13 GMT
There is no logic in it. Last possible influencial reason is unit's defense. For pure experiment Your skills must be the same, You must use same unit and attack same unit (otherwise we do not know how much damage unit's defense negated in Your experiment and in his) Today Leonid Govorov tested Destination Berlin (as I did) and attacked the same unit In this case (skills and units are the same) it is all about techs. I don't believe different generals with same skills have different formula. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 7, 2017 7:52:31 GMT
Today Leonid Govorov tested Destination Berlin (as I did) and attacked the same unit In this case (skills and units are the same) it is all about techs. I don't believe different generals with same skills have different formula. But 30-50% difference between me and Leonid Govorov!!! |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 7, 2017 7:54:38 GMT
Today Leonid Govorov tested Destination Berlin (as I did) and attacked the same unit In this case (skills and units are the same) it is all about techs. I don't believe different generals with same skills have different formula. I dbout this is percentage increase now. Damn it, Monty :D, Hobo Joe, we need your help! I agree with andrei. Probably the same formula. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 7, 2017 7:55:14 GMT
In this case (skills and units are the same) it is all about techs. I don't believe different generals with same skills have different formula. But 30-50% difference between me and Leonid Govorov !!! You tagged me four times in 30 minutes lol |
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Post by stoic on Nov 7, 2017 7:55:32 GMT
You can see in page 8 my screenshots, and not a tiny reason for Leonid Govorov to falsify results either  |
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Post by stoic on Nov 7, 2017 7:56:22 GMT
You tagged me four times in 30 minutes lol Be sure it will be more |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 7, 2017 7:57:01 GMT
You can see in page 8 my screenshots, and not a tiny reason for Leonid Govorov to falsify results either I was lazy enough to not take screenshots, so you can falsify my results instead |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 7, 2017 7:58:39 GMT
You tagged me four times in 30 minutes lol Be sure it will be more I checked again and it was six  (hey, I wanted to be different with the use of emojis) |
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Post by andrei on Nov 7, 2017 8:27:45 GMT
In this case (skills and units are the same) it is all about techs. I don't believe different generals with same skills have different formula. But 30-50% difference between me and Leonid Govorov !!! I am not surprised. It was the same story 5 pages ago  I tested my fully upgraded Manstein and received such a huge difference in comparison to sooner's Manstein. But my techs were at pacific level. You are going around in circles. Imo it is absolutely clear that it is all about higher unit's attack when comparing same conditions and same generals. |
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Post by Leonid Govorov on Nov 7, 2017 8:32:29 GMT
I am not surprised. It was the same story 5 pages ago I tested my fully upgraded Manstein and received such a huge difference in comparison to sooner's Manstein. But my techs were at pacific level. You are going around in circles. Imo it is absolutely clear that it is all about higher unit's attack when comparing same conditions and same generals. Summary of this thread so far: Leonid Govorov: Hey PZ leader is stupid. stoic: My results are different. Leonid Govorov: I retested and my results are different stoic: I retested and my results are different. andrei: We are going around in circles. Thanks andrei for dragging us out of this stupid loop. I must come up with a different experiment. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 7, 2017 8:57:14 GMT
I am not surprised. It was the same story 5 pages ago I tested my fully upgraded Manstein and received such a huge difference in comparison to sooner's Manstein. But my techs were at pacific level. You are going around in circles. Imo it is absolutely clear that it is all about higher unit's attack when comparing same conditions and same generals. It was my opinion a couple of hours ago as well. But after that was Leonid Govorov's experiment with the same super tank and with the same target. There isn't any difference in unit's attack... |
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Post by andrei on Nov 7, 2017 8:59:01 GMT
I am not surprised. It was the same story 5 pages ago I tested my fully upgraded Manstein and received such a huge difference in comparison to sooner's Manstein. But my techs were at pacific level. You are going around in circles. Imo it is absolutely clear that it is all about higher unit's attack when comparing same conditions and same generals. It was my opinion a couple of hours ago as well. But after that was Leonid Govorov 's experiment with the same super tank and with the same target. There isn't any difference in unit's attack... Are Your and his techs the same? I am not sure. Techs influence unit's base attack. |
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Post by stoic on Nov 7, 2017 9:07:09 GMT
It was my opinion a couple of hours ago as well. But after that was Leonid Govorov 's experiment with the same super tank and with the same target. There isn't any difference in unit's attack... Are Your and his techs the same? I am not sure. Techs influence unit's base attack. I upgraded techs since then, of course, and I have increase in damage but percentage increase remains the same. I'll upload some pics   And damage without PL is now 100-110 instead of 95-100 a week ago... |
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