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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 13:48:34 GMT
800 medals actually which is even more absurd. You could Level all of his relevant skills up to 3 with that amount. Imo roko does not have any. Entrenchment is quite a decent skill for tanks I mean that you could also level up Armored Assault and Blitzkrieg to Level 3 for that amount, sorry. |
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 13:55:36 GMT
4 stars Without a doubt, he is a good general, the problem is that it is simply not necessary ... Do you want to spend a lot on tanks? Buy from Guderian or Rossokovsky ... Do you want someone who only hits hard? Vatutin and Leclerc are excellent options ... Do you want a defensive general? Monty is much better ... Anyway, I think you understand where I want to go. I would only recommend it if you already obtained the 6 mandatory Generals (Guderian, Rommel, Konev, Leeb, Yamamoto / Nimitz and Yamashita) Your points about Graziani are true, but I’d like to point a few things out about the mentioned generals. 1. Rokossovsky is only an option if you don’t have Manstein. If otherwise, don’t even bother with Konstantin because in the end, he will perform the same as Erich only that it will cost a ton of medals. 2. Defensive generals are unnecessary because this game is about attacking. There are way too few defensive missions to warrant buying a general just for defending, and any good tank general with Rumor and a decent rank on a triple-stacked Heavy Tank or Super Tank will defend well. Also, late in the game, enemy artillery will have a very high non-retaliation chance to the point where your defensive generals are meatshields. 3. Yamashita isn’t a mandatory general because Infantry is very ineffective in Modern War. The terrorists deal high damage and all of their troops except Elite Infantry have 2 hexes range. If you want an Infantry general just to clear Infantry invasions and maybe Exercise in Petropavlosk, get Mannerheim. He has the same rank as Yamashita, 2 great Level 3 skills (Can have a fourth) and the same stars. He’s only somewhat slower and can’t equip a 5th skill. However, Infantry has high movement by default, so movement stars for Infantry don’t matter. And the 5th skill would be likely either Guerrilla, which is mediocre compared to Blitzkrieg, and Explosives, but the terrorists don’t use fortifications. Said fortifications aren’t difficult to destroy with rocket artillery, heavy tanks and cruisers. 4. Don’t consider Yamamoto. He’s good, but his price is high as heck and his skills are all Level 1. For his price, you can get Kuznetsov and Arnold which perform the same as him in their respective roles. Instead of Yama, I’d recommend Dönitz, who has a similar price, but one Level 4 skill, another is Level 3 and another is Level 2. Another thing: Leeb isn’t mandatory either. He’s just one of the most suitable generals for beginners, but if you have Zhukov, he is unneeded. Leeb actually starts as an ok general, not as a good or great one. But he’s good enough to help beginners complete the European theatre. However, he can last in end-game if upgraded well enough. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 14:30:15 GMT
Your points about Graziani are true, but I’d like to point a few things out about the mentioned generals. 1. Rokossovsky is only an option if you don’t have Manstein. If otherwise, don’t even bother with Konstantin because in the end, he will perform the same as Erich only that it will cost a ton of medals. 2. Defensive generals are unnecessary because this game is about attacking. There are way too few defensive missions to warrant buying a general just for defending, and any good tank general with Rumor and a decent rank on a triple-stacked Heavy Tank or Super Tank will defend well. Also, late in the game, enemy artillery will have a very high non-retaliation chance to the point where your defensive generals are meatshields. 3. Yamashita isn’t a mandatory general because Infantry is very ineffective in Modern War. The terrorists deal high damage and all of their troops except Elite Infantry have 2 hexes range. If you want an Infantry general just to clear Infantry invasions and maybe Exercise in Petropavlosk, get Mannerheim. He has the same rank as Yamashita, 2 great Level 3 skills (Can have a fourth) and the same stars. He’s only somewhat slower and can’t equip a 5th skill. However, Infantry has high movement by default, so movement stars for Infantry don’t matter. And the 5th skill would be likely either Guerrilla, which is mediocre compared to Blitzkrieg, and Explosives, but the terrorists don’t use fortifications. Said fortifications aren’t difficult to destroy with rocket artillery, heavy tanks and cruisers. 4. Don’t consider Yamamoto. He’s good, but his price is high as heck and his skills are all Level 1. For his price, you can get Kuznetsov and Arnold which perform the same as him in their respective roles. Instead of Yama, I’d recommend Dönitz, who has a similar price, but one Level 4 skill, another is Level 3 and another is Level 2. Another thing: Leeb isn’t mandatory either. He’s just one of the most suitable generals for beginners, but if you have Zhukov, he is unneeded. Leeb actually starts as an ok general, not as a good or great one. But he’s good enough to help beginners complete the European theatre. However, he can last in end-game if upgraded well enough. I think leeb is better than zhukov personally. He has the potential to have 4 top tier artillery skills, the most important of which is rumor. Zhukov gets explosives and artillery barrage. I am not a fan of explosives myself even on infantry or navy. I mean he is decent don’t get me wrong. It does take around 5k medal investments in leeb to make him powerful though. I agree though, more than 2 artillery generals is overkill. If you need rumor, use nimitz on rocket artillery |
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 14:38:52 GMT
Another thing: Leeb isn’t mandatory either. He’s just one of the most suitable generals for beginners, but if you have Zhukov, he is unneeded. Leeb actually starts as an ok general, not as a good or great one. But he’s good enough to help beginners complete the European theatre. However, he can last in end-game if upgraded well enough. I think leeb is better than zhukov personally. He has the potential to have 4 top tier artillery skills, the most important of which is rumor. Zhukov gets explosives and artillery barrage. I am not a fan of explosives myself even on infantry or navy. I mean he is decent don’t get me wrong. It does take around 5k medal investments in leeb to make him powerful though. I agree though, more than 2 artillery generals is overkill. If you need rumor, use nimitz on rocket artillery Arnold in Rocket Artillery is better for Rumor. War Master uses Zhukov and he does quite well. In my opinion Zhukov is no worse than Leeb. |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 14:41:49 GMT
I think leeb is better than zhukov personally. He has the potential to have 4 top tier artillery skills, the most important of which is rumor. Zhukov gets explosives and artillery barrage. I am not a fan of explosives myself even on infantry or navy. I mean he is decent don’t get me wrong. It does take around 5k medal investments in leeb to make him powerful though. I agree though, more than 2 artillery generals is overkill. If you need rumor, use nimitz on rocket artillery Arnold in Rocket Artillery is better for Rumor. War Master uses Zhukov and he does quite well. In my opinion Zhukov is no worse than Leeb. Yeah I do think he is decent. Zhukov that is. But he ain’t konev. Maybe graziani is better as well |
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 14:43:42 GMT
Arnold in Rocket Artillery is better for Rumor. War Master uses Zhukov and he does quite well. In my opinion Zhukov is no worse than Leeb. Yeah I do think he is decent. Zhukov that is. But he ain’t konev. Maybe graziani is better as well BUT when you have both Zhukov and Konev... |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 15:38:37 GMT
Yeah I do think he is decent. Zhukov that is. But he ain’t konev. Maybe graziani is better as well BUT when you have both Zhukov and Konev... True. I have mixed feelings about zhukov. He is good, but is he that good? |
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 19:10:04 GMT
BUT when you have both Zhukov and Konev... True. I have mixed feelings about zhukov. He is good, but is he that good? I have used Leeb at least 5 times in all of my career as a WC4 player. Leeb was good, but sometimes he died too fast. Sometimes he dissapointed me a bit. However, that never happened with Zhukov. Just like you said some time ago, he’s like Manstein but for Artillery. Great general. I don’t miss Leeb at all. |
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 19:14:26 GMT
I know it’s difficult when someone tells you that a general about which you have doubts is great. Happened with me when I was considering Yamamoto.
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 19:15:25 GMT
About Graziani, however, I don’t plan at all in buying him. I used him various times in Italy 1939. He did nice, but wasn’t impressive.
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 21:14:54 GMT
About Graziani, however, I don’t plan at all in buying him. I used him various times in Italy 1939. He did nice, but wasn’t impressive. Thats an unupgraded graziani though. You can give him two good skills and he will heal very very quickly. Basically, if you use him on artillery, he will be very hard to kill |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 21:16:01 GMT
True. I have mixed feelings about zhukov. He is good, but is he that good? I have used Leeb at least 5 times in all of my career as a WC4 player. Leeb was good, but sometimes he died too fast. Sometimes he dissapointed me a bit. However, that never happened with Zhukov. Just like you said some time ago, he’s like Manstein but for Artillery. Great general. I don’t miss Leeb at all. Yeah his health in early game is terrible. But I imagine late game him being a beast. But I never used him either that late into the game. Konev was my only arti |
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Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 14, 2019 21:17:05 GMT
I know it’s difficult when someone tells you that a general about which you have doubts is great. Happened with me when I was considering Yamamoto. Yamamoto is quite great, but you absolutely have to give him both fleet leader of rumor. Or sacrifice rumor for artillery leader. He is strong but very tricky to use. You are better off getting kuz + leeb instead of him though |
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
I know it’s difficult when someone tells you that a general about which you have doubts is great. Happened with me when I was considering Yamamoto. Yamamoto is quite great, but you absolutely have to give him both fleet leader of rumor. Or sacrifice rumor for artillery leader. He is strong but very tricky to use. You are better off getting kuz + leeb instead of him though Uh-uh. I’m better off getting Kuznetsov + Arnold instead of him, which I already did. |
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Post by Gone on Sept 14, 2019 21:24:39 GMT
I have used Leeb at least 5 times in all of my career as a WC4 player. Leeb was good, but sometimes he died too fast. Sometimes he dissapointed me a bit. However, that never happened with Zhukov. Just like you said some time ago, he’s like Manstein but for Artillery. Great general. I don’t miss Leeb at all. Yeah his health in early game is terrible. But I imagine late game him being a beast. But I never used him either that late into the game. Konev was my only arti Yup. But it’s better buying generals that require little to no upgrading to become beasts, such as Rokossovsky (You don’t really need to give him the 6th tank star.) If you have the time, however, feel free to upgrade Leeb. But I recommend that you already have your main generals on your roster before you do so. |
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