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Post by stoic on Jun 20, 2019 15:08:36 GMT
In fact, almost always my generals had less than 50% of health towards the end of EACH Modern war mission. And with ToI Vatutin, for example, was able to deal immense damage even with 50 HPs left. My Rokossovsky was a "Blitzkrieger", so ToI was less important in his case, but I definitely would upgrade his ToI as well, if I had a chance. Unfortunately, I completed the game before I could fully upgrade my generals  Back to question that farming is a pain in WC4  yes it is a pain yup, toi is a gem in 1980. Unless you can blitzkrieg everyone and do not get targeted, which is unlikely given the strength of titan tanks and mere elite infantry I would say extremely unlikely. That was the usual picture ibb.co/dLEHrSibb.co/muY5d7Majority of generals has few HPs left. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 20, 2019 15:12:36 GMT
no guderian?
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Post by stoic on Jun 20, 2019 15:14:04 GMT
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 20, 2019 15:21:50 GMT
yep I recall now |
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Post by stoic on Jun 20, 2019 15:59:06 GMT
Farming in WC4 is really a painful question to me.
Let's compare it to EW6
1. Generals are cheaper in EW6. The best (IAPs excluded) one in EW6 - Murat - costs 2200 medals. Guderian - around 1000 medals more.
2. Upgrades are cheaper in EW6. The most expensive lvl 5 upgrade is 250 medals. In WC4 some lvl5 upgrades were around 480 medals.
3. I paid 800 medals to give to Rokissovsky his 6-th tank star! In EW6 to increase Battle ability of generals doesn't cost usual medals.
4. There are daily missions in EW6 and WC4. But in EW6 you simply assign your generals and wait. In WC4 you have to play each daily invasion personally! Besides in EW6 there are medals as rewards for replaying conquests, so only your interest is a decisive factor.
So, to say the truth, Messe is not a good general, but players are simply forced to use mediocre generals, otherwise your waiting time is unbearable, and you will loose your interest before you can hire and upgrade the best ones. I REALLY hope ET will not use that system again.
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 20, 2019 16:05:57 GMT
Farming in WC4 is really a painful question to me. Let's compare it to EW6 1. Generals are cheaper in EW6. The best (IAPs excluded) one in EW6 - Murat - costs 2200 medals. Guderian - around 1000 medals more. 2. Upgrades are cheaper in EW6. The most expensive lvl 5 upgrade is 250 medals. In WC4 some lvl5 upgrades were around 480 medals. 3. I paid 800 medals to give to Rokissovsky his 6-th tank star! In EW6 to increase Battle ability of generals doesn't cost usual medals. 4. There are daily missions in EW6 and WC4. But in EW6 you simply assign your generals and wait. In WC4 you have to play each daily invasion personally! Besides in EW6 there are medals as rewards for replaying conquests, so only your interest is a decisive factor. So, to say the truth, Messe is not a good general, but players are simply forced to use mediocre generals, otherwise your waiting time is unbearable, and you will loose your interest before you can hire and upgrade the best ones. I REALLY hope ET will not use that system again. they need to earn money too, hence this tedious system. I waited though and got yamashita early  |
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Post by stoic on Jun 20, 2019 16:14:45 GMT
Farming in WC4 is really a painful question to me. Let's compare it to EW6 1. Generals are cheaper in EW6. The best (IAPs excluded) one in EW6 - Murat - costs 2200 medals. Guderian - around 1000 medals more. 2. Upgrades are cheaper in EW6. The most expensive lvl 5 upgrade is 250 medals. In WC4 some lvl5 upgrades were around 480 medals. 3. I paid 800 medals to give to Rokissovsky his 6-th tank star! In EW6 to increase Battle ability of generals doesn't cost usual medals. 4. There are daily missions in EW6 and WC4. But in EW6 you simply assign your generals and wait. In WC4 you have to play each daily invasion personally! Besides in EW6 there are medals as rewards for replaying conquests, so only your interest is a decisive factor. So, to say the truth, Messe is not a good general, but players are simply forced to use mediocre generals, otherwise your waiting time is unbearable, and you will loose your interest before you can hire and upgrade the best ones. I REALLY hope ET will not use that system again. they need to earn money too, hence this tedious system. I waited though and got yamashita early If they make 4-5 really good IAP generals they will earn more than simply by torturing players . Some of IAPs are really bad. What is the point? And why only 3? I'm certain that increasing number and quality of IAP generals will boost their income. Give them who are willing to pay real stars, and not such weaklings as Wellington in EW6 or Eisenhower in WC4! |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 20, 2019 16:18:25 GMT
i read pay real stars as Parking Stars HAHAHAHA
yes the wc4 iaps are not enough. Eisenhower cant even do air or navy right. Zhukov is a failure at infantry but okay on artillery. Manstein is good.
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Post by stoic on Jun 20, 2019 16:35:24 GMT
i read pay real stars as Parking Stars HAHAHAHA yes the wc4 iaps are not enough. Eisenhower cant even do air or navy right. Zhukov is a failure at infantry but okay on artillery. Manstein is good. And yet Konev with only 4 skills is probably better than Zhukov, and, imo, Guderian is better than Manstein (simply because Rumor is so good in WC4). On the other hand, there are dozens of obviously weak generals in ET games. Probably, there is a kernel of truth in it, but hardly more than that. Guderian was an able general with some fresh insight and new ideas, but he was not a head above other German generals. Moreover, Franz Halder in his diary criticised him heavily on many occasions. The same is true about Rommel (whose many decisions were a headache for OKW). The same is true about Read Army. And all armies of the world. So why to make so many bad generals? In the endgame players have teams of twins, with minor exceptions. Give us more good generals with different skills and abilities, let the players decide what skills are better for them personally. |
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Post by Gone on Jun 20, 2019 21:35:04 GMT
Dammit! I thought that Tide of Iron was bad! Stop giving me reasons to max Manstein! I’m going to end up bankrupt and unable to buy Yamashita! And then buying Guderian is going to be nearly impossible!
Or not... I have just started doing the “Rescue the Ally”, “Hold the Ground”, “Wipe out the Enemy” and “Accumulate Supplies” challenges. So far they seem to be easy, and help a lot in leveling up. Are they replayable?
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Jun 21, 2019 1:31:38 GMT
Dammit! I thought that Tide of Iron was bad! Stop giving me reasons to max Manstein! I’m going to end up bankrupt and unable to buy Yamashita! And then buying Guderian is going to be nearly impossible! Or not... I have just started doing the “Rescue the Ally”, “Hold the Ground”, “Wipe out the Enemy” and “Accumulate Supplies” challenges. So far they seem to be easy, and help a lot in leveling up. Are they replayable? They are not |
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Post by Gone on Jun 21, 2019 1:40:28 GMT
Well then, at least there are 44 of them in total which means 440 medals at least.
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Post by stoic on Jun 21, 2019 2:25:24 GMT
Dammit! I thought that Tide of Iron was bad! Stop giving me reasons to max Manstein! I’m going to end up bankrupt and unable to buy Yamashita! And then buying Guderian is going to be nearly impossible! Or not... I have just started doing the “Rescue the Ally”, “Hold the Ground”, “Wipe out the Enemy” and “Accumulate Supplies” challenges. So far they seem to be easy, and help a lot in leveling up. Are they replayable? Basically ToI is a universal terrain bonus when your general has less than 50% health. And this happens fairly often. I would say - save for Guderian first ignoring Yamashita (for a time of even completely). Guderian is arguably the best general in the game, and Yamashita has no future in the Modern war missions. Yes, he is useful in conquests, but in the Modern war missions Infantry generals are a disaster. All that because of HPs. Two shots of Titanium tanks and there will be no Yamashita anymore. Rude awakening... |
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Post by Gone on Jun 21, 2019 2:30:04 GMT
...so I’m basically going to have to exclude infantry generals? Because I want my generals to be ones that are going to be useful in Modern War.
Here is my bucket list :
Guderian
Arnold
Rokossovsky
Dönitz
Rommel
Konev
Nimitz
(I used to include Mannerheim and Yamashita but since Infantry won’t survive Modern War I’m excluding them from my list)
I think that’s a good list cause in Conquest you can only add a maximum of 8 generals, which means I will always be able to use all of my upgraded generals. Unless Manstein doesn’t count.
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Post by stoic on Jun 21, 2019 2:48:07 GMT
...so I’m basically going to have to exclude infantry generals? Because I want my generals to be ones that are going to be useful in Modern War. Here is my bucket list : Manstein Guderian Arnold Rokossovsky Dönitz Rommel Konev Nimitz (I used to include Mannerheim and Yamashita but since Infantry won’t survive Modern War I’m excluding them from my list) I think that’s a good list cause in Conquest you can only add a maximum of 8 generals, which means I will always be able to use all of my upgraded generals. You can buy Mannerheim or Yamashita later especially for conquests, but for Modern war missions you really don't need an Infantry general. I would add one land general to your list. Just for tactical plausibility. |
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Back to question that farming is a pain in WC4 
