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Post by randomperson on Aug 16, 2021 4:05:50 GMT
First off, I think that it does not matter which you choose. Vatutin, Monty and Roko are all good enough to complete the game (provided you have other gens and you have a decent amount of brain cells). 1. Say hello to Leeb, Govorov, Manstein and Zhukov. Sure, Vatutin can hit more than one time, but if we're counting multiple hits, Monty and Roko edge out Vatutin. 2. See above (Govorov, Zhukov). 3. Price does not matter a lot anymore. You get 100 medals a week which is enough to make up the difference (also Monty is in like 3 theaters). 4. True, but 1941 eastern allies isn't hard and Monty unlocks before him. 5. See 3. Again, I will reiterate, you can get any of the 3 to finish the game so this stupidly long debate isn't actually very important. 1. (a) Ok, we're talking about tank generals here. Right? I should've been more clear. (b). It's not like Vatutin gets one hit everytime. He gets one extra hit sometimes when he rips off a stack or kills a unit. 3. It still does matter, especially in the endgame. 4. And 1939, for that matter, is the easiest. 1. Lol I agree. I was half joking when I wrote that. 3. Huh, I have like 300 medals left over, my allied land team is done, my axis land team is basically done+I have Donitz (decided I don't need Rundstedt) and I have a lot more medals from achievements coming in that will let me buy whatever luxuries I want. 4. And 1941 is also extremely easy. But, honestly I overvalued slots. You can assign 6 generals (not sure about 1945, I took a ~1 week break from GoG3 to go play EW5 and do RL stuff so I am still in 1944) at max, and you have 4 pick-whatever-slots. So, unless your team has 6 allied generals (in that case you have too many) you should be good for slots. |
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Post by John Marston on Aug 16, 2021 4:11:03 GMT
1. (a) Ok, we're talking about tank generals here. Right? I should've been more clear. (b). It's not like Vatutin gets one hit everytime. He gets one extra hit sometimes when he rips off a stack or kills a unit. 3. It still does matter, especially in the endgame. 4. And 1939, for that matter, is the easiest. 1. Lol I agree. I was half joking when I wrote that. 3. Huh, I have like 300 medals left over, my allied land team is done, my axis land team is basically done+I have Donitz (decided I don't need Rundstedt) and I have a lot more medals from achievements coming in that will let me buy whatever luxuries I want. 4. And 1941 is also extremely easy. But, honestly I overvalued slots. You can assign 6 generals (not sure about 1945, I took a ~1 week break from GoG3 to go play EW5 and do RL stuff so I am still in 1944) at max, and you have 4 pick-whatever-slots. So, unless your team has 6 allied generals (in that case you have too many) you should be good for slots. Nothing much to say here, except for (3). 3. Well all of us cannot perfect clear as quickly as you do. Especially me  (Once again, what's your Allied team?) |
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Post by randomperson on Aug 16, 2021 4:18:39 GMT
1. Lol I agree. I was half joking when I wrote that. 3. Huh, I have like 300 medals left over, my allied land team is done, my axis land team is basically done+I have Donitz (decided I don't need Rundstedt) and I have a lot more medals from achievements coming in that will let me buy whatever luxuries I want. 4. And 1941 is also extremely easy. But, honestly I overvalued slots. You can assign 6 generals (not sure about 1945, I took a ~1 week break from GoG3 to go play EW5 and do RL stuff so I am still in 1944) at max, and you have 4 pick-whatever-slots. So, unless your team has 6 allied generals (in that case you have too many) you should be good for slots. Nothing much to say here, except for (3). 3. Well all of us cannot perfect clear as quickly as you do. Especially me (Once again, what's your Allied team?) Monty-MacArthur-Patton-Govorov (in the order of buying). I'm thinking about Nimitz just for elite battle (haven't actually played all the naval battles, but it looks hard.) |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 16, 2021 4:30:05 GMT
1. Can't argue with that. 2. See 1. 3. So what? On PC, you get 105 medals a week through rewards, and I have heard of some players getting 130 a week. That's also like saying cheaper is better. Not true. Some cases, yeah, most cases, no. To expand on this, Mannerheim is cheaper than Yamashita and Rundstedt. He is not the best out of the 3. 4. And? Allied missions are not that hard, I daresay that I could of swapped my Roko purchase at EF '41 for Tassigny or just get another Axis general and would of been just fine. Only problem spot is Pacific '42, but who cares? Tanks are barely seen in useful situation in this campaign. 5. BEST price performer? Meet Chuikov. The only endgame free land general, and the only thing keeping you from blowing almost 800 hard earned medals on Govorov. Good for his price, sure, I'll give you that. 6. Vatutin is slow. This is not a problem on a MT, but HTs are pretty slow, in my experience. 7. There are better alternatives. Rokossovsky is better because he has good damage and is more mobile. Monty has the mobility, some of Roko's damage, and air stars. That's on HT. On an MT, I can see him being better than Patton, and I desperately want this to be true, but Blitzkrieg is simply one of the best skills, and Patton is the only general who gets Blitzkrieg, And even though Patton sucks otherwise, people still like him. 8. Only being in one campaign isn't a big deal for me, but for others, the slots/players might not favor Vatutin, and you will just use the campaign slots on other generals. 9. Only 3*s in health is 15% lower than 4*s, and 15% is a big deal. Note: John Marston wrote the 5 points. 5. *Me invested in Govorov 775 medals. Me medals gone  . Govorov not making much difference* 6. All Hail KV-6! 7. Mobility can be fixed with SFs. *Patton is too expensive* 8. Agreed. But it doesn't even matter for me too because my Allied roster still has 3 medal generals only. 9. You can say...not for me. 6. Rokossovsky is better on KV-6 and KV-6 only lives once in campaigns. Also, KV-6 doesn't have unlimited HP. 7. Allies tank special forces are quite lacking, and relying solely on SF makes any general OP. 9. More HP = More time = More Death = More Destruction |
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Post by John Marston on Aug 16, 2021 6:11:42 GMT
5. *Me invested in Govorov 775 medals. Me medals gone . Govorov not making much difference* 6. All Hail KV-6! 7. Mobility can be fixed with SFs. *Patton is too expensive* 8. Agreed. But it doesn't even matter for me too because my Allied roster still has 3 medal generals only. 9. You can say...not for me. 6. Rokossovsky is better on KV-6 and KV-6 only lives once in campaigns. Also, KV-6 doesn't have unlimited HP. 7. Allies tank special forces are quite lacking, and relying solely on SF makes any general OP. 9. More HP = More time = More Death = More Destruction 6. But you can easily manage it for the entire campaigns. 7. Yeah, couple that with Vatutin's damage makes him more OP 9. *Recruiting exists* |
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 16, 2021 15:01:46 GMT
6. Rokossovsky is better on KV-6 and KV-6 only lives once in campaigns. Also, KV-6 doesn't have unlimited HP. 7. Allies tank special forces are quite lacking, and relying solely on SF makes any general OP. 9. More HP = More time = More Death = More Destruction 6. But you can easily manage it for the entire campaigns. 7. Yeah, couple that with Vatutin's damage makes him more OP 9. *Recruiting exists* 6. There is only 1 KV-6, so "managing it" when you already put it on Roko, who is much better with it is useless. If you put it on Vatutin, sure, there's managing it, but Vatutin should probably be on a MT, as Patton probably ain't gonna cut it. 7. Boris with a Wiking is good. Anything with a special force is good. So what are you trying to prove? 9. Recruiting can be a big drain on your campaign economy, and with extra health stars, you can live longer. |
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Post by randomperson on Aug 16, 2021 17:37:16 GMT
6. But you can easily manage it for the entire campaigns. 7. Yeah, couple that with Vatutin's damage makes him more OP 9. *Recruiting exists* 6. There is only 1 KV-6, so "managing it" when you already put it on Roko, who is much better with it is useless. If you put it on Vatutin, sure, there's managing it, but Vatutin should probably be on a MT, as Patton probably ain't gonna cut it. 7. Boris with a Wiking is good. Anything with a special force is good. So what are you trying to prove? 9. Recruiting can be a big drain on your campaign economy, and with extra health stars, you can live longer. 6. Are you assuming you have both Vatutin and Roko? I think that's a bit overkill. Also, I think that Patton is still better than Vatutin on MT. 7. I think he's trying to say that combining KV-6 with Vatutin makes him a beast. 9. I agree that recruiting is a big drain (50 gold is a lot). Still, the 15% isn't that much and if you're smart, you can position your heavy tank somewhere where it will not be annihilated by 5 artilleries. Or, get Monty . . . |
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Post by stoic on Aug 16, 2021 17:43:55 GMT
6. There is only 1 KV-6, so "managing it" when you already put it on Roko, who is much better with it is useless. If you put it on Vatutin, sure, there's managing it, but Vatutin should probably be on a MT, as Patton probably ain't gonna cut it. 7. Boris with a Wiking is good. Anything with a special force is good. So what are you trying to prove? 9. Recruiting can be a big drain on your campaign economy, and with extra health stars, you can live longer. 6. Are you assuming you have both Vatutin and Roko? I think that's a bit overkill. Also, I think that Patton is still better than Vatutin on MT. 7. I think he's trying to say that combining KV-6 with Vatutin makes him a beast. 9. I agree that recruiting is a big drain (50 gold is a lot). Still, the 15% isn't that much and if you're smart, you can position your heavy tank somewhere where it will not be annihilated by 5 artilleries. Or, get Monty . . . Т28 is an excellent tank for Vatutin. It is fast enough to compensate his lack of speed. And we have 2 heavy tanks (a second one usually as a reserve unit) in many missions. So, I think it is a sound strategic decision. |
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Post by naveenhanza on Aug 17, 2021 12:02:20 GMT
I went with Rokossovsky, thank you guys for all the information✌
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Post by 6Johnny23 on Aug 17, 2021 18:04:08 GMT
6. There is only 1 KV-6, so "managing it" when you already put it on Roko, who is much better with it is useless. If you put it on Vatutin, sure, there's managing it, but Vatutin should probably be on a MT, as Patton probably ain't gonna cut it. 7. Boris with a Wiking is good. Anything with a special force is good. So what are you trying to prove? 9. Recruiting can be a big drain on your campaign economy, and with extra health stars, you can live longer. 6. Are you assuming you have both Vatutin and Roko? I think that's a bit overkill. Also, I think that Patton is still better than Vatutin on MT. 7. I think he's trying to say that combining KV-6 with Vatutin makes him a beast. 9. I agree that recruiting is a big drain (50 gold is a lot). Still, the 15% isn't that much and if you're smart, you can position your heavy tank somewhere where it will not be annihilated by 5 artilleries. Or, get Monty . . . 6. Roko is a better fit for the OP KV-6. Or Rommel if you want overkill in challenges. Assuming you have to make a choice for a KV-6 user, I would say Roko is the best, for he has 1/4 chance of attacking again, has more bang for your buck when replenishing, and still has an anti-tank skill, and HTs are a main threat to other HTs, as they have good damage and 2 range. 7. Ok. When you combine almost any general with almost any SF makes that said general a beast. I recognize SFs can solve problems, but if you smack a KV-6 to anything an everything, a lot of "problems" are gonna be solved. 9. Okay. Let's do some math. Using the 2-stack MT in Blitzkrieg, without a general it has 380 HP (for me). For 3*s in HP, it has 551 HP. After 4*s, it has 608 HP (in theory). When you triple stack that tank, it will have 540 base HP. 3*s, 783 HP. 4*s, a whopping 864 HP. And he, free HP is free HP. |
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Post by randomperson on Aug 17, 2021 18:58:53 GMT
6. Are you assuming you have both Vatutin and Roko? I think that's a bit overkill. Also, I think that Patton is still better than Vatutin on MT. 7. I think he's trying to say that combining KV-6 with Vatutin makes him a beast. 9. I agree that recruiting is a big drain (50 gold is a lot). Still, the 15% isn't that much and if you're smart, you can position your heavy tank somewhere where it will not be annihilated by 5 artilleries. Or, get Monty . . . 6. Roko is a better fit for the OP KV-6. Or Rommel if you want overkill in challenges. Assuming you have to make a choice for a KV-6 user, I would say Roko is the best, for he has 1/4 chance of attacking again, has more bang for your buck when replenishing, and still has an anti-tank skill, and HTs are a main threat to other HTs, as they have good damage and 2 range. 7. Ok. When you combine almost any general with almost any SF makes that said general a beast. I recognize SFs can solve problems, but if you smack a KV-6 to anything an everything, a lot of "problems" are gonna be solved. 9. Okay. Let's do some math. Using the 2-stack MT in Blitzkrieg, without a general it has 380 HP (for me). For 3*s in HP, it has 551 HP. After 4*s, it has 608 HP (in theory). When you triple stack that tank, it will have 540 base HP. 3*s, 783 HP. 4*s, a whopping 864 HP. And he, free HP is free HP. (I'm tired of doing 6., 7., 9.) 1. I. I agree that Roko/Monty are better than Vatutin on heavy tanks because of PL. II. But, the main threat to HTs are HAs, not other HTs. If you need to get rid of an enemy HT, the best way is usually to hit it with artillery and then ram it with medium tanks and anti-tank gun infantry. Medium tanks have really good damage, just not so good survivability. So, they are perfect for ramming enemy HTs. Only in rare circumstances do I ever find myself using my heavy tanks to engage enemy heavy tanks. For example, a 1-stack HT (with max tech) has 42-62 damage (with country boost) while a 2-stack MT has 43-68 damage. The double medium tank also has almost double hp of the heavy tank. I find that it is best to destroy infantry with your heavy tanks, enemy tanks with your artillery and medium tanks, and artillery with infantry/medium tanks. III. lvl 1 mechanist is not very useful. With 4 stars and max tech, you will heal 90hp out of 346 without mechanist and with lvl 1 mechanist you heal 112.5 hp, which is only 22.5 hp more or 6.5% of the hp of a stack. Note: Mechanist is actually more useful when you don't have stars because you still heal the same amount so that 6.5% suddenly becomes 10.5%. 2. I agree. 3. I agree that free hp is free hp but hp is not as critical on heavy tanks because of the 2 range. On a medium tank though, that 15% matters a ton. |
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Post by John Marston on Aug 24, 2021 4:06:30 GMT
6. But you can easily manage it for the entire campaigns. 7. Yeah, couple that with Vatutin's damage makes him more OP 9. *Recruiting exists* 6. There is only 1 KV-6, so "managing it" when you already put it on Roko, who is much better with it is useless. If you put it on Vatutin, sure, there's managing it, but Vatutin should probably be on a MT, as Patton probably ain't gonna cut it. 7. Boris with a Wiking is good. Anything with a special force is good. So what are you trying to prove? 9. Recruiting can be a big drain on your campaign economy, and with extra health stars, you can live longer. 1. I don't have Roko. Because Vatutin is his cheaper alternative. 2. Vatutin + KV6 means >>> Boris + Wiking. On a serious note, Vatutin can overcome all of his flaws with KV6 and becomes flawless. (And Boris would still be bad even given a Wiking, compared to what others offer or how he's going to be torn into shreds by opponent generals) 3. Allies missions usually gives you good income unlike Axis ones, where you have to build up your economy. |
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Post by stoic on Aug 24, 2021 4:59:01 GMT
In regard of 3 or 4 stars of HP boost - I am not so sure it has a real practical value,tbh. Of course, it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick but realistically speaking only a couple of generals (if any at all) can reach their peak, unless you are willing to spend medals and to unlock more and more chests. I seriously doubt that any of my generals will have all 4 stars at the end of the game.  |
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Post by John Marston on Aug 24, 2021 5:01:31 GMT
In regard of 3 or 4 stars of HP boost - I am not so sure it has a real practical value,tbh. Of course, it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick but realistically speaking only a couple of generals (if any at all) can reach their peak, unless you are willing to spend medals and to unlock more and more chests. I seriously doubt that any of my generals will have 4 stars at the end of the game. That's true. My only 4 star general is Guderian and Vatutin and Timoshenko are the 3 star generals, with Donitz on 2 stars (Done that due to my rage of not being able to perfect clear Axis Coral Sea in 1942 campaign) |
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Post by randomperson on Aug 25, 2021 3:52:33 GMT
In regard of 3 or 4 stars of HP boost - I am not so sure it has a real practical value,tbh. Of course, it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick but realistically speaking only a couple of generals (if any at all) can reach their peak, unless you are willing to spend medals and to unlock more and more chests. I seriously doubt that any of my generals will have 4 stars at the end of the game. That's true. My only 4 star general is Guderian and Vatutin and Timoshenko are the 3 star generals, with Donitz on 2 stars (Done that due to my rage of not being able to perfect clear Axis Coral Sea in 1942 campaign) Huh. About half (my main team is 10 generals) of my main team is 4 stars. Challenge mode 10 is very hard, but by staying on the 9-10 border and collecting 10 rewards every time, I can get about ~10 promotion badges per day (Depending on my schedule, I am currently getting ~0 per day because I am playing EW5). That's a 4 star general every 5 days or a fully maxed team in ~2 months (assuming you have 12 main generals in the end). |
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(Once again, what's your Allied team?)
. Govorov not making much difference*
