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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 15, 2021 14:14:13 GMT
it's funny how i managed to do modern war and have enough for multiple airstrikes then when i needed them. Leeb will never be more versatile because he can only provide rumour, arnold has air abilities which is invaluable. You literally just said rumour was extremely important and Arnold was vastly superior to Leeb because of it, and now you say "Leeb all never be more versatile because he can only provide rumour". And I said "fighters PER TURN". Per Turn means if you play for 20 rounds, you can use fighter about 20 times. Of course you're not gonna be using air support at all for the first few turns, and then using it more as you progress through the level, but you will never accumulate enough income to really use more fighters than you've spent turns. Wheras Leeb can attack every turn, and not only that, but sometimes multiple times every turn if he gets attacked. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 15, 2021 14:18:41 GMT
You literally just said rumour was extremely important and Arnold was vastly superior to Leeb because of it, and now you say "Leeb all never be more versatile because he can only provide rumour". And I said "fighters PER TURN". Per Turn means if you play for 20 rounds, you can use fighter about 20 times. Of course you're not gonna be using air support at all for the first few turns, and then using it more as you progress through the level, but you will never accumulate enough income to really use more fighters than you've spent turns. Wheras Leeb can attack every turn, and not only that, but sometimes multiple times every turn if he gets attacked. no if u can only use 1 airstrike per turn, thats ur fault for not managing your resources wisely, dont blame arnold on something because u bought an unnecessary unit. Arnold's air abilities alone makes him superior, this is my last post because you are just wasting my time. i've already said what i needed to say, go ahead and continue being ignorant. |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 15, 2021 14:19:07 GMT
Lol, no one here said that Leeb is better than Arnold, they're a good gen in their role. You're the one that said Arnold is much better than Leeb. And you're overly proud about almost finishing this game in 2 weeks. Finishing what? you're just almost finishing campaign, and that's not something to be overproud. That can be achieved by either you bought medals or you don't have anything to do in real life. lol imagine spending money on this game, i'm not overly proud, u just can't accept that i managed to finish this game quickly and you want to bring up things to discredit, all i did was play the game efficiently and i planned well, it's not something hard to do. Campaign, conquests and domination is the only things to do in the game, i've beaten the campaigns, i've done 1980 conquest, i've finished all the challenge and exercises, is there something that im missing? hahahaha, all of your achievement means nothing to me. that's overly proud when you "need" to mention that 2 weeks thing in every post of your discussion. And you don't need to discredit everyone who spend money on this game, it's theirs not yours. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 15, 2021 14:22:55 GMT
lol imagine spending money on this game, i'm not overly proud, u just can't accept that i managed to finish this game quickly and you want to bring up things to discredit, all i did was play the game efficiently and i planned well, it's not something hard to do. Campaign, conquests and domination is the only things to do in the game, i've beaten the campaigns, i've done 1980 conquest, i've finished all the challenge and exercises, is there something that im missing? hahahaha, all of your achievement means nothing to me. that's overly proud when you "need" to mention that 2 weeks thing in every post of your discussion. And you don't need to discredit everyone who spend money on this game, it's theirs not yours. if it means nothing, then don't bring up a stupid 'challenge' and see who can complete it faster lol, thats pathetic, and you're the one who brought up money not me, nice try but you failed |
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Post by George Rudi on Oct 15, 2021 14:23:08 GMT
You literally just said rumour was extremely important and Arnold was vastly superior to Leeb because of it, and now you say "Leeb all never be more versatile because he can only provide rumour". And I said "fighters PER TURN". Per Turn means if you play for 20 rounds, you can use fighter about 20 times. Of course you're not gonna be using air support at all for the first few turns, and then using it more as you progress through the level, but you will never accumulate enough income to really use more fighters than you've spent turns. Wheras Leeb can attack every turn, and not only that, but sometimes multiple times every turn if he gets attacked. just leave him alone, or else you'll be dragged to his level of ignorant. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 15, 2021 14:42:32 GMT
just leave him alone, or else you'll be dragged to his level of ignorant. Yeah, I don't think we should be arguing with someone who isn't open to having their opinions changed |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 15, 2021 21:07:59 GMT
when I said they're too slow, that includes Arnold, and Dowding too. your logic isn't making any sense. Arnold has one less mobility star, he couldn't outpace Leeb in any unit. not even my Konev can keep pace with my tank gens. the only aspects Arnold beats Leeb are air stars, air skills and overall cost to max. do i really have to explain this to you... i don't know why i got to keep repeating myself. I will just make this simple. Arnold in campaigns will be placed on artillery, he will at the beginning be with most of the generals and you can coordinate all your generals so they can focus fire an enemy general, when the general is killed and the tank generals start to move, arnold can't keep up so he will move into a city to use his airstrikes - that is what i mean when he can keep up with the team because even though he isn't going to be moving with the tank generals and be at the enemy lines, he will still be useful increasing damage output from city. Also, if you're worried arnold is slow even tho he has 4 stars for movement, you can put him on a tank and just be as fast as your tank generals, put him on heavy tank so he has attack range, you can't do that with leeb because he can only be put on artillery, arnold doesn't have any tank or artillery star so it doesn't matter what unit you put him on For someone who has finished the game, i would expect you to understand this... it's obvious how you would play arnold leeb and konev on the other hand can't keep up because artillery is slower than tanks. Thats why they are less useful but konev is worth having because he is the best artillery and he is also good at infantry - good for invasions. please don't underestimate arnold when he has a bigger impact than konev or leeb there's really no point in targeting an enemy general unless he's an objective. in some cases, it can actually hinder a players efforts. "Also, if you're worried arnold is slow even tho he has 4 stars for movement, you can put him on a tank and just be as fast as your tank generals, put him on heavy tank so he has attack range, you can't do that with leeb because he can only be put on artillery" - this makes no sense. Leeb would outperform Arnold on a tank because he has 4 tank stars to Arnold's 0, and 5 mobility stars to Arnold's 4. the only areas Arnold beats Leeb are infantry and naval. I agree about Konev, he's great when playing a small country like Greece and holding ground in a city. only reason I'm not getting rid of him is because I invested money in him a couple other generals. I would play Arnold as an air general on an infantry unit...those are his strongest aspects, not artillery. plus infantry units can move faster than artillery units. I don't even bother building artillery anymore unless it's to drop Konev. tanks for offense, infantry for defense. I don't underestimate him, he's good as an air general. he's average at artillery in comparison to Leeb, who is above average. Konev is the goat. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 15, 2021 21:09:12 GMT
advantages of arnold: - much cheaper - don't need heavy investment to work like leeb with accuracy + rumour - more useful endgame: better support (can have crowd tactics), better damage output than leeb via airstrikes vs leeb artillery damage (airstrikes have unlimited attack range unlike leeb so can spam them), still be useful at the back in cities - versatile, can be put onto motorised infantry if you want to travel 6 hexes (great for conquest), artillery if you want to apply rumour and not get hit back, or tank if you want to apply rumour but still catch up with the tank generals leeb advantages: - extra damage on artillery - not useful endgame when he is too slow to move with tank generals apply your tank comment about Arnold onto Leeb. he has the tank stars to roll with the big boys. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 15, 2021 21:19:03 GMT
just leave him alone, or else you'll be dragged to his level of ignorant. Yeah, I don't think we should be arguing with someone who isn't open to having their opinions changed he makes me want to buy Leeb now. I think I will, I still have 3500 medals. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 16, 2021 6:09:25 GMT
Yeah, I don't think we should be arguing with someone who isn't open to having their opinions changed he makes me want to buy Leeb now. I think I will, I still have 3500 medals. have fun spending all your medals upgrading his rumour, accuracy, artillery leader and movement lol, that will cost over 3k medals, he is useless on tanks with no tank skills, i said arnold can be placed on any unit because he doesn't have any stars for artillery or tank so it's not a waste unlike leeb who you need to put on artillery otherwise you are wasting his artillery skills and stars. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 16, 2021 8:30:07 GMT
he makes me want to buy Leeb now. I think I will, I still have 3500 medals. have fun spending all your medals upgrading his rumour, accuracy, artillery leader and movement lol, that will cost over 3k medals, he is useless on tanks with no tank skills, i said arnold can be placed on any unit because he doesn't have any stars for artillery or tank so it's not a waste unlike leeb who you need to put on artillery otherwise you are wasting his artillery skills and stars. That argument makes no sense. Just because someone has some stars for a specific unit doesn't mean putting it on another unit is waste. In many cases you don't have artillery to put Arnold/Leeb on and then Leeb will outperform Arnold on a tank even if he had 100 artillery stars. |
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Post by Captain on Oct 16, 2021 9:19:04 GMT
I would say get both, leeb is a good second artillery general (WAY better damage then arnold), but arnold is excellent support (Id still say dowding is better for conquests tho) Do you support the fact- Wcq4 lacks good amount of artillery generals!! |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 16, 2021 10:56:54 GMT
have fun spending all your medals upgrading his rumour, accuracy, artillery leader and movement lol, that will cost over 3k medals, he is useless on tanks with no tank skills, i said arnold can be placed on any unit because he doesn't have any stars for artillery or tank so it's not a waste unlike leeb who you need to put on artillery otherwise you are wasting his artillery skills and stars. That argument makes no sense. Just because someone has some stars for a specific unit doesn't mean putting it on another unit is waste. In many cases you don't have artillery to put Arnold/Leeb on and then Leeb will outperform Arnold on a tank even if he had 100 artillery stars. who gives a shoot if leeb does like 10 more damage than arnold on tank lol, that point is so bad i will pretend i didn't even see it, just accept leeb is a midgame general, idk why everyone loves him so much lol, arnold does so much more for much cheaper price that none of the other land generals can do, don't bring up leeb's damage when it makes no difference endgame, it's embarassing |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 16, 2021 11:23:56 GMT
That argument makes no sense. Just because someone has some stars for a specific unit doesn't mean putting it on another unit is waste. In many cases you don't have artillery to put Arnold/Leeb on and then Leeb will outperform Arnold on a tank even if he had 100 artillery stars. who gives a shoot if leeb does like 10 more damage than arnold on tank lol, that point is so bad i will pretend i didn't even see it, just accept leeb is a midgame general, idk why everyone loves him so much lol, arnold does so much more for much cheaper price that none of the other land generals can do, don't bring up leeb's damage when it makes no difference endgame, it's embarassing Calm down, it isn't the end of the world if people disagree with you. It's not your problem if I buy a bad general. Calling a point bad and stupid does nkt make it bad and stupid unless you tell me why the point is bad. I just made a counter argument on your argument saying Arnold is better than Leeb on a tank. You say who cares about 10 extra damage, well firsf of all it's 15 extra damage and you was the one who said 30/40 damage is good if it takes out a unit. I didn't say Leeb is a great tank general, I said he is better than Arnold on a tank. Please don't attack arguments I haven't made. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 16, 2021 11:31:05 GMT
who gives a shoot if leeb does like 10 more damage than arnold on tank lol, that point is so bad i will pretend i didn't even see it, just accept leeb is a midgame general, idk why everyone loves him so much lol, arnold does so much more for much cheaper price that none of the other land generals can do, don't bring up leeb's damage when it makes no difference endgame, it's embarassing Calm down, it isn't the end of the world if people disagree with you. It's not your problem if I buy a bad general. Calling a point bad and stupid does nkt make it bad and stupid unless you tell me why the point is bad. I just made a counter argument on your argument saying Arnold is better than Leeb on a tank. You say who cares about 10 extra damage, well firsf of all it's 15 extra damage and you was the one who said 30/40 damage is good if it takes out a unit. I didn't say Leeb is a great tank general, I said he is better than Arnold on a tank. Please don't attack arguments I haven't made. i've reached a point where i can't be asked to argue points any more, i've already countered everything and i'm just repeating myself, the points you make are irrelevant not worth countering, i just hope any new players that play this game don't buy leeb if they manage to reach cold war without him. i'm just annoyed that i've wasted this time trying to explain and you lot still don't understand what i'm saying. |
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