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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 17, 2021 19:10:52 GMT
why are you so sht at maths, were u dropped when u were a baby? how in the fk is leeb cheaper than arnold u moron, arnold comes with 4 stars movement and level 4 rumour and costs like 80 medals more than leeb, but if u want to upgrade leeb to level 4 rumour and 4 stars movement, that will cost over 1.6k medals so please stfu. i've just played un hard and i've used the exact strategy i explained with arnold, so why do you keep questioning, idgaf if i convince u or not, im only going to expose how *Auto Corrected*ed you are You aren't exposing anyone but yourself. Level 3 rumour is perfectly viable on a general like Leeb. There's essentially no difference from level 4 rumour (it's just 15%, and for a person who s/l's like you there's no difference at all). Plus you didn't read any of my damage analysis, which explains that even IF you were able to launch 15 missiles in a scenario level with Arnold, his damage output would still not be as good as Leeb's. I see you partially read my previous posts. That's better than nothing, but you didn't read the whole thing. Arnold costs 1800 medals. Leeb is 1380. I said that if you put level 3 rumour on Leeb, he'd still cost 80 medals less than Arnold. Why would I want to put level 4 mobility on Leeb anyway? He's a frontline general, and the fact that he's always on the move means that he'll cover more distance than Arnold any day (cause Arnold is staying in his city for half the level anyway). I know you're probably just a middle school kid who spends too much time on Reddit, but I need to re-emphasize what Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov said. This is a public forum, and no matter how smart you think you are compared to everyone else, please do not use derogatory language like "*Auto Corrected*ed". This is the kind of stuff your boss will find 15 years from now and cost you a job. |
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Post by Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov on Oct 17, 2021 19:25:01 GMT
why are you so sht at maths, were u dropped when u were a baby? how in the fk is leeb cheaper than arnold u moron, arnold comes with 4 stars movement and level 4 rumour and costs like 80 medals more than leeb, but if u want to upgrade leeb to level 4 rumour and 4 stars movement, that will cost over 1.6k medals so please stfu. i've just played un hard and i've used the exact strategy i explained with arnold, so why do you keep questioning, idgaf if i convince u or not, im only going to expose how *Auto Corrected*ed you are You aren't exposing anyone but yourself. Level 3 rumour is perfectly viable on a general like Leeb. There's essentially no difference from level 4 rumour (it's just 15%, and for a person who s/l's like you there's no difference at all). Plus you didn't read any of my damage analysis, which explains that even IF you were able to launch 15 missiles in a scenario level with Arnold, his damage output would still not be as good as Leeb's. I see you partially read my previous posts. That's better than nothing, but you didn't read the whole thing. Arnold costs 1800 medals. Leeb is 1380. I said that if you put level 3 rumour on Leeb, he'd still cost 80 medals less than Arnold. Why would I want to put level 4 mobility on Leeb anyway? He's a frontline general, and the fact that he's always on the move means that he'll cover more distance than Arnold any day (cause Arnold is staying in his city for half the level anyway). I know you're probably just a middle school kid who spends too much time on Reddit, but I need to re-emphasize what Kliment Jefremovitš Vorošilov said. This is a public forum, and no matter how smart you think you are compared to everyone else, please do not use derogatory language like "*Auto Corrected*ed". This is the kind of stuff your boss will find 15 years from now and cost you a job. To Arnold's defence, he actually costs only 1485 medals. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 17, 2021 19:59:46 GMT
To Arnold's defence, he actually costs only 1485 medals. He does? Then I've been looking at the wrong general lol. Whatever, level 2 rumour on Leeb is still fine, and even if you ended up paying more medals to get him rumour level 4, I still think he'd be at least as useful if not more. The initial title of this post was "Arnold is much better than leeb", and while I will agree that he is better in some respects (air, abilities in conquest), the "much" part is probably where I'd disagree. I don't really think I'd say that an excellent support general is "much" better than a good to great assault-type general. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 17, 2021 20:51:49 GMT
To Arnold's defence, he actually costs only 1485 medals. He does? Then I've been looking at the wrong general lol. Whatever, level 2 rumour on Leeb is still fine, and even if you ended up paying more medals to get him rumour level 4, I still think he'd be at least as useful if not more. The initial title of this post was "Arnold is much better than leeb", and while I will agree that he is better in some respects (air, abilities in conquest), the "much" part is probably where I'd disagree. I don't really think I'd say that an excellent support general is "much" better than a good to great assault-type general. yes he is much better you clown, he does things none of my other generals can do, without arnold, grinding 1980 conquest is a shithole and he is useful in scenarios as well, leeb does what konev does but worse, and i don't need another konev who gets left behind by the tank generals doing nothing. only reason im keeping konev now is for artillery and infantry invasions. u don't have to be a genius to realise how useful arnold is, he is the only good air general, dowding is trash (no rumour and useless eco skills), yamamoto costs 1.4k more medals, has no rumour and is a navy hybrid that is useless because you only need donitz to finish this game. Arnold is the only viable option and if u prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 17, 2021 21:09:04 GMT
yes he is much better, he does things none of my other generals can do, without arnold, grinding 1980 conquest is a shithole and he is useful in scenarios as well, leeb does what konev does but worse, and i don't need another konev who gets left behind by the tank generals doing nothing. only reason im keeping konev now is for artillery and infantry invasions. u don't have to be a genius to realise how useful arnold is, he is the only good air general, dowding is trash (no rumour and useless eco skills), yamamoto costs 1.4k more medals, has no rumour and is a navy hybrid that is useless because you only need donitz to finish this game. Arnold is the only viable option and if u prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane. "Arnold is the only viable option and if you prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane". Good, it seems we've come to an agreement. Also I don't know why you're talking about Yamamoto now. No one here was talking about Yamamoto. I've done hundreds of conquests, and in every single one, after Arnold takes a city with an airport and the cities immediately surrounding him, I've found no real use for him besides that. By the time I move him to another city that has an airport, I've usually already won the conquest. No one is saying Arnold's bad. He's great, he's probably the best air general in-game. He has level 4 rumour, and he's really cheap. It's just the consensus of this forum that assault-type generals are typically preferred over support-type generals. Just ask our speed runners. Stop being so sensitive about other people's opinions. You're allowed to use Arnold as much as you want. No one's discounting your opinions as much as you are other people's. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 17, 2021 21:21:56 GMT
He does? Then I've been looking at the wrong general lol. Whatever, level 2 rumour on Leeb is still fine, and even if you ended up paying more medals to get him rumour level 4, I still think he'd be at least as useful if not more. The initial title of this post was "Arnold is much better than leeb", and while I will agree that he is better in some respects (air, abilities in conquest), the "much" part is probably where I'd disagree. I don't really think I'd say that an excellent support general is "much" better than a good to great assault-type general. yes he is much better you clown, he does things none of my other generals can do, without arnold, grinding 1980 conquest is a shithole and he is useful in scenarios as well, leeb does what konev does but worse, and i don't need another konev who gets left behind by the tank generals doing nothing. only reason im keeping konev now is for artillery and infantry invasions. u don't have to be a genius to realise how useful arnold is, he is the only good air general, dowding is trash (no rumour and useless eco skills), yamamoto costs 1.4k more medals, has no rumour and is a navy hybrid that is useless because you only need donitz to finish this game. Arnold is the only viable option and if u prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane. he's much better *in your opinion* also, name calling isn't going to get you taken seriously - not that you have been in the first place because you haven't provided numbers to mathematically prove he is better. 1980 is a spithole if you don't have the firepower to counter the terrorists. the firepower units in this game are artillery and tanks. I also must point out, if Arnold is behind the frontlines, his rumor is basically useless because it's not being used if he's camping on a city. rumor is more suited for an assault general, which Arnold is not. he's a support general. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 17, 2021 21:26:27 GMT
yes he is much better you clown, he does things none of my other generals can do, without arnold, grinding 1980 conquest is a shithole and he is useful in scenarios as well, leeb does what konev does but worse, and i don't need another konev who gets left behind by the tank generals doing nothing. only reason im keeping konev now is for artillery and infantry invasions. u don't have to be a genius to realise how useful arnold is, he is the only good air general, dowding is trash (no rumour and useless eco skills), yamamoto costs 1.4k more medals, has no rumour and is a navy hybrid that is useless because you only need donitz to finish this game. Arnold is the only viable option and if u prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane. "Arnold is the only viable option and if you prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane". Good, it seems we've come to an agreement. Also I don't know why you're talking about Yamamoto now. No one here was talking about Yamamoto. I've done hundreds of conquests, and in every single one, after Arnold takes a city with an airport and the cities immediately surrounding him, I've found no real use for him besides that. By the time I move him to another city that has an airport, I've usually already won the conquest. No one is saying Arnold's bad. He's great, he's probably the best air general in-game. He has level 4 rumour, and he's really cheap. It's just the consensus of this forum that assault-type generals are typically preferred over support-type generals. Just ask our speed runners. Stop being so sensitive about other people's opinions. You're allowed to use Arnold as much as you want. No one's discounting your opinions as much as you are other people's. yep, tank/artillery starts my conquest, by the time I unlock missiles, I have the resources to spam so fast, an air general would only be useful for one turn. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 17, 2021 21:29:05 GMT
yes he is much better you clown, he does things none of my other generals can do, without arnold, grinding 1980 conquest is a shithole and he is useful in scenarios as well, leeb does what konev does but worse, and i don't need another konev who gets left behind by the tank generals doing nothing. only reason im keeping konev now is for artillery and infantry invasions. u don't have to be a genius to realise how useful arnold is, he is the only good air general, dowding is trash (no rumour and useless eco skills), yamamoto costs 1.4k more medals, has no rumour and is a navy hybrid that is useless because you only need donitz to finish this game. Arnold is the only viable option and if u prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane. "Arnold is the only viable option and if you prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane". Good, it seems we've come to an agreement. Also I don't know why you're talking about Yamamoto now. No one here was talking about Yamamoto. I've done hundreds of conquests, and in every single one, after Arnold takes a city with an airport and the cities immediately surrounding him, I've found no real use for him besides that. By the time I move him to another city that has an airport, I've usually already won the conquest. No one is saying Arnold's bad. He's great, he's probably the best air general in-game. He has level 4 rumour, and he's really cheap. It's just the consensus of this forum that assault-type generals are typically preferred over support-type generals. Just ask our speed runners. Stop being so sensitive about other people's opinions. You're allowed to use Arnold as much as you want. No one's discounting your opinions as much as you are other people's. assault generals are only used in the first 1/3 or 1/2 of the conquest, the other time you spend spamming missiles + paratroop so how can you prefer someone that is not being used. once my guderian and rommel take out europe in 1980 conquest, they are done. im not going to waste time moving them to america or asia or africa. i can take the whole of asia with arnold alone while i need guderian, rommel and konev to take europe. im not being sensitive, idc if u prefer leeb over arnold (lots of people prefer worse generals because they prefer certain playstyle) but the points u made when u said leeb is better than arnold are wrong, thats why im not taking anything u say serious, you got all the numbers wrong, u don't know how to even use arnold properly so why should i accept what you say. |
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Post by torvestareturn on Oct 17, 2021 21:33:12 GMT
yes he is much better you clown, he does things none of my other generals can do, without arnold, grinding 1980 conquest is a shithole and he is useful in scenarios as well, leeb does what konev does but worse, and i don't need another konev who gets left behind by the tank generals doing nothing. only reason im keeping konev now is for artillery and infantry invasions. u don't have to be a genius to realise how useful arnold is, he is the only good air general, dowding is trash (no rumour and useless eco skills), yamamoto costs 1.4k more medals, has no rumour and is a navy hybrid that is useless because you only need donitz to finish this game. Arnold is the only viable option and if u prefer him over leeb or roko, ur insane. he's much better *in your opinion* also, name calling isn't going to get you taken seriously - not that you have been in the first place because you haven't provided numbers to mathematically prove he is better. 1980 is a spithole if you don't have the firepower to counter the terrorists. the firepower units in this game are artillery and tanks. I also must point out, if Arnold is behind the frontlines, his rumor is basically useless because it's not being used if he's camping on a city. rumor is more suited for an assault general, which Arnold is not. he's a support general. i don't use arnold's rumour in conquests because theres no point, i can spam missiles and airstrike instead. His rumour is useful in scenarios because at beginning u won't have enough resources to spam airstrikes, only near the end which is important if ur other generals are nearly dead. just because he doesn't deal big damage, that doesn't mean he isn't an assault general, u still move him with your other generals. like i said, idc what all of you say because at the end of the day, u've only played wc3 and wc4, none of you have tried ew6 1914 and if u did, you wouldn't even bother trying the endgame because you're not skilled enough to finish it. |
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Post by tristanknight on Oct 17, 2021 22:47:27 GMT
he's much better *in your opinion* also, name calling isn't going to get you taken seriously - not that you have been in the first place because you haven't provided numbers to mathematically prove he is better. 1980 is a spithole if you don't have the firepower to counter the terrorists. the firepower units in this game are artillery and tanks. I also must point out, if Arnold is behind the frontlines, his rumor is basically useless because it's not being used if he's camping on a city. rumor is more suited for an assault general, which Arnold is not. he's a support general. i don't use arnold's rumour in conquests because theres no point, i can spam missiles and airstrike instead. His rumour is useful in scenarios because at beginning u won't have enough resources to spam airstrikes, only near the end which is important if ur other generals are nearly dead. just because he doesn't deal big damage, that doesn't mean he isn't an assault general, u still move him with your other generals. like i said, idc what all of you say because at the end of the day, u've only played wc3 and wc4, none of you have tried ew6 1914 and if u did, you wouldn't even bother trying the endgame because you're not skilled enough to finish it. so if you don't use the skill in conquests, it's as useless as the economic skill you mentioned on Dowding, except the economic skill remains active when the general is camped on the city. Arnold isn't an assault general, period. he's a support general. assault generals are typically the ones who push the offensive, such as your Guderian and Manstein. if Arnold was on a carrier, he'd be support for Nimitz and Donitz. you do care, or else you wouldn't be here arguing with everyone else and name calling. |
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Post by Saltin on Oct 18, 2021 0:38:47 GMT
This thread is temporarily closed for evaluation.
Ok, open again minus 1 member that is no longer with us. It's a shame because this is an actual interesting conversation with good technical points that enhances our collective gaming skills and knowledge, still the EFC forum does not allow any kind of off base agressive behavior.
I was editing so many posts and yet more of the same insults and name calling kept coming so that's just too much.
To recap:
1)Everyone has the right to participate and post their opinions without being character assassinated/bullied/ridiculed. They have this right even if they are wrong.
2)Attack the arguments not the person behind these arguments.
In general when seeing something escalating it is best to post your idea without using the word "You" example: "you did that, you said this, you think just because"..ect..ect because this puts the other person on the defensive and increases the tension/stress level. That is to say no need to make the focus on the other person, instead just post your thinking about the subject at hand.
On topic, my personal opinion: Get both generals if you can afford it or else get the one that matches your play style.
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Post by journeykeen on Oct 18, 2021 20:55:44 GMT
I am curious what your best round count is on 1980. I do not know what country you are using, but if it is Turkey then Arnold is far more useful than Leeb (if Leeb is your second art. general).
For the USSR it is probably about tied. In my runs I used Arnold for SA. Unless I am missing something, most of Asia shoudl be captured with ground units since they can reach all the continent. Since SA cannot, AF should be predominantly used there.
And now that I have the capacity to have Yamashita, I need to try and get 14 rounds USSR!
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 18, 2021 21:02:44 GMT
I am curious what your best round count is on 1980. I do not know what country you are using, but if it is Turkey then Arnold is far more useful than Leeb (if Leeb is your second art. general). For the USSR it is probably about tied. In my runs I used Arnold for SA. Unless I am missing something, most of Asia shoudl be captured with ground units since they can reach all the continent. Since SA cannot, AF should be predominantly used there. And now that I have the capacity to have Yamashita, I need to try and get 14 rounds USSR! Yeah, I've been using Yamashita for a month now, and he makes conquests so much faster (even though I still don't really know how to use him lol). I can't say that he's ever the deciding factor for whether I've won a level or not, but he's definitely sped things up. Based on the discussion we had (minus the swears) I think we decided that Arnold was PROBABLY better than Leeb in most cases, but maybe not all. I guess it depends on the situation. But on scenario it's pretty close, and it depends on your playstyle. |
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Post by journeykeen on Oct 18, 2021 21:03:43 GMT
No, leeb is slower than arnold, he only has 1 star than can be upgraded to 5 which very few people do because he isn't a priority, there are 6 or 7 generals more important than him, and arnold already stars with 4, arnold won't be useless after tanks progress frontline because he can stay in city and increase airdamage but you fail to realise that and apparently don't know how to use air generals. The maths don't mean shoot when everyone plays different and i play to win fast, theres a reason why i can finish this game faster than any of you and i can speedrun conquests faster than you guys with the same general lineup + tech. Your opinions are irrelevant unless you can achieve the same things i did. i'm an expert because i've completed the other harder easytech games fast as well, ofc you're still playing wc4 and i bet you haven't even tried ew6 or ew6 1914. I am 99% certain that this comment is incorrect. |
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Post by Darth Nihilus on Oct 18, 2021 21:09:19 GMT
I am 99% certain that this comment is incorrect. I think he was banned or something so he's probably not gonna see your comment anytime soon lol. I was too lazy to offer a rebuttal anyway |
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