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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 29, 2024 14:13:57 GMT
New conquest is out: The Resurface of Chaos! It's slightly bigger than Armed Unification, with the northern daimyos of Mogami, Osaki, Date, and Soma joining in on the fun. The map is vastly different than the first two conquests given this one takes place in 1582, beginning right at Honno-ji with plenty of events about that. I'm beginning a conquest right now, and of course I have to start with Hashiba and get Saru to unite Japan. I can't believe the description roasts him though, poor Hideyoshi being called ugly... and then he has to "panic" when Mitsuhide betrays Nobunaga. I'm trying my hardest not to laugh.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 29, 2024 16:26:19 GMT
Let's reconvene on the new conquest: I was doing a casual conquest of Hashiba and ended up getting a competitive turn count... I'm thinking move over Takeda, Hashiba is the new speedrun faction. By event your west is secured with a passage with Mori and they're not that hard to ally. Uesugi replaces ambitious with loyal and reliable, a welcome change and now despite being chivalrous their acceptance rate for agreements is not locked at 60%. Thank god for that, I refuse to invade Sado. Your expansion routes are towards the center and east and it's not hard to get a foothold on Shikoku to deal with the factions on that island (namely Chosokabe). The larger maps honestly don't feel like they take more time comparatively to Battles of Owari, to be honest. Also, Hashiba has some pretty good tactics, Set Up Baggage Force in particular is very nice for when you've cracked a city but can't capture with another unit that turn. I think sub-30 is relatively easy with Hashiba: I just got a larger turn count than I should have because I grew lazy at the end and spent all my money on allying other factions when Kono decided to break free from Chosokabe, and the very next turn I lost my border.
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Post by stoic on Feb 29, 2024 17:05:06 GMT
Airi MomoiWhat can you say about elite units? If I remember correctly only one clan in first two conquests could hire Mounted Teppo on its Territory. Is it a rare guest here as well? What about DoP and Sanada Akazonae?
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 29, 2024 17:26:43 GMT
Airi Momoi What can you say about elite units? If I remember correctly only one clan in first two conquests could hire Mounted Teppo on its Territory. Is it a rare guest here as well? What about DoP and Sanada Akazonae? Poor Ashina got their mounted teppo stolen by Date, now Yonezawa Castle is the only place that I know of that you can spawn mounted teppo. From what I remember from Battles in Owari mounted teppo just doesn't exist there. Ueda Castle in the ownership of Sanada initially can spawn Akazonae cav (which is what I assume you wanted, the one that can attack again after killing an enemy), and so can Shinpu Castle in the ownership of Takigawa. Gifu Castle still has its beloved mounted archer, now in the hands of G.Oda (guessing that's Gifu Oda). Its counterpart Inabayama under Saito also has it in Battles in Owari. There still are no war gear special units spawnable as far as I know. So, good special units are just as rare as in the first two unfortunately, in fact the special unit distribution seems almost exactly the same as Armed Unification, with the minor adjustment of robbing Ashina of their mounted teppo. Justice for Ashina, give them back their mounted teppo! Edit: In fact, I might make a thread just to compile every place where you can spawn certain elite units, to avoid the guess and check that usually occurs when you're searching for a certain one.
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Post by stoic on Feb 29, 2024 17:45:17 GMT
Airi Momoi What can you say about elite units? If I remember correctly only one clan in first two conquests could hire Mounted Teppo on its Territory. Is it a rare guest here as well? What about DoP and Sanada Akazonae? Poor Ashina got their mounted teppo stolen by Date, now Yonezawa Castle is the only place that I know of that you can spawn mounted teppo. From what I remember from Battles in Owari mounted teppo just doesn't exist there. Ueda Castle in the ownership of Sanada initially can spawn Akazonae cav (which is what I assume you wanted, the one that can attack again after killing an enemy), and so can Shinpu Castle in the ownership of Takigawa. Gifu Castle still has its beloved mounted archer, now in the hands of G.Oda (guessing that's Gifu Oda). Its counterpart Inabayama under Saito also has it in Battles in Owari. There still are no war gear special units spawnable as far as I know. So, good special units are just as rare as in the first two unfortunately, in fact the special unit distribution seems almost exactly the same as Armed Unification, with the minor adjustment of robbing Ashina of their mounted teppo. Justice for Ashina, give them back their mounted teppo! Edit: In fact, I might make a thread just to compile every place where you can spawn certain elite units, to avoid the guess and check that usually occurs when you're searching for a certain one. No , I was asking about Sanada Akazonae, the unit with the highest crit rate probability Yes , it would be great if we could find information about availability of elite units in one thread.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 29, 2024 18:04:54 GMT
No , I was asking about Sanada Akazonae, the unit with the highest crit rate probability Yes , it would be great if we could find information about availability of elite units in one thread. Then I'm afraid you might be out of luck: I'll do a more thorough search later but I don't think Sanada has the elite unit named after them
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Post by stoic on Feb 29, 2024 18:21:05 GMT
No , I was asking about Sanada Akazonae, the unit with the highest crit rate probability Yes , it would be great if we could find information about availability of elite units in one thread. Then I'm afraid you might be out of luck: I'll do a more thorough search later but I don't think Sanada has the elite unit named after them Here it is
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Post by run4glory on Feb 29, 2024 18:28:38 GMT
Its a bit sad if there are still no special arty units obtainable in conquest Even though the basic cannon is technically totally sufficient by "making walls fragile", part of me was definitely hoping to run around with an army of DoPs There is sth so satisfying about blowing up big walls
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Post by SolidLight on Feb 29, 2024 22:16:18 GMT
So Sanada Akazonae remains unspawnable, even as Sanada for whatever reason. But you do get a rank 6 Yukimura on it on turn 9! Actually, I’m totally wrong, you can spawn it, but you HAVE to have Kami of Northern Shinano. It’s weird that you can’t do it out of Ueda normally.
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Post by Airi Momoi on Feb 29, 2024 23:23:42 GMT
So Sanada Akazonae remains unspawnable, even as Sanada for whatever reason. But you do get a rank 6 Yukimura on it on turn 9! Actually, I’m totally wrong, you can spawn it, but you HAVE to have Kami of Northern Shinano. It’s weird that you can’t do it out of Ueda normally. Oh yeah, the kami bonuses. I sometimes forget they exist, but actually they seem to be quite helpful. Getting Uzen's bonus (Yonezawa, Yamagata, Sakenobe, Tsurugaoka) will give you the ability to spawn mounted teppo anywhere, not just Yonezawa. Suruga gives mounted archer anywhere. Northern Shinano gives you the ability to spawn Sanada Akezonae anywhere (I agree it's weird they don't get it right out the gate), normal Akezonae comes with Southern Shinano and a bunch gives Elite Samurai. Perhaps I should stop dismissing them. Oh, and by anywhere, I mean anywhere. Even branch castles that usually do not have any special units can spawn them thanks to you praying to the right god. This is Kutsuki, just some random branch castle that now can spawn Elite Samurai now that I have the kami bonus of Tanba.
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Post by SolidLight on Mar 1, 2024 0:09:44 GMT
So Sanada Akazonae remains unspawnable, even as Sanada for whatever reason. But you do get a rank 6 Yukimura on it on turn 9! Actually, I’m totally wrong, you can spawn it, but you HAVE to have Kami of Northern Shinano. It’s weird that you can’t do it out of Ueda normally. Oh yeah, the kami bonuses. I sometimes forget they exist, but actually they seem to be quite helpful. Getting Uzen's bonus (Yonezawa, Yamagata, Sakenobe, Tsurugaoka) will give you the ability to spawn mounted teppo anywhere, not just Yonezawa. Suruga gives mounted archer anywhere. Northern Shinano gives you the ability to spawn Sanada Akezonae anywhere (I agree it's weird they don't get it right out the gate), normal Akezonae comes with Southern Shinano and a bunch gives Elite Samurai. Perhaps I should stop dismissing them. Oh, and by anywhere, I mean anywhere. Even branch castles that usually do not have any special units can spawn them thanks to you praying to the right god. This is Kutsuki, just some random branch castle that now can spawn Elite Samurai now that I have the kami bonus of Tanba. It still really isn’t imo, I think you should only do it once you’re planning to build a lot of them far away from where you normally can make them and you can’t really do it early on. Mounted Teppo is especially unfeasible since not only is it massively expensive, but the camp also costs a ton to make, so you probably can’t afford to put any more than just one in Yonezawa. And Sanada Akazonae probably won’t see much use in a challenge conquest since 1000 is way too expensive. I only really end up doing it like once or twice in serious runs in the later stages of a conquest. Swordmasters and Horoshu being the usual suspects.
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Post by Theron of Acragas on Mar 1, 2024 4:31:09 GMT
Oh yeah, the kami bonuses. I sometimes forget they exist, but actually they seem to be quite helpful. Getting Uzen's bonus (Yonezawa, Yamagata, Sakenobe, Tsurugaoka) will give you the ability to spawn mounted teppo anywhere, not just Yonezawa. Suruga gives mounted archer anywhere. Northern Shinano gives you the ability to spawn Sanada Akezonae anywhere (I agree it's weird they don't get it right out the gate), normal Akezonae comes with Southern Shinano and a bunch gives Elite Samurai. Perhaps I should stop dismissing them. Oh, and by anywhere, I mean anywhere. Even branch castles that usually do not have any special units can spawn them thanks to you praying to the right god. This is Kutsuki, just some random branch castle that now can spawn Elite Samurai now that I have the kami bonus of Tanba. It still really isn’t imo, I think you should only do it once you’re planning to build a lot of them far away from where you normally can make them and you can’t really do it early on. Mounted Teppo is especially unfeasible since not only is it massively expensive, but the camp also costs a ton to make, so you probably can’t afford to put any more than just one in Yonezawa. And Sanada Akazonae probably won’t see much use in a challenge conquest since 1000 is way too expensive. I only really end up doing it like once or twice in serious runs in the later stages of a conquest. Swordmasters and Horoshu being the usual suspects. I actually find it worthwhile to grab an early kami that gives elite samurai or warrior monk. The reason - you have to do a lot of defending, you're likely defending on one front while attacking on others, or you may just want to get your generals to the next city without dealing with a counterattack. Those units are tanky, and in the case of monks super cheap. Plus, they cost knowledge rather than coins. While yari samurai are also reasonably tanky, they're expensive in terms of both initial cost and food consumption,and spawning a lot puts a real strain on your economy. Buying some units with knowledge helps a lot. And finally, for offensive purposes, if you don't have access to sword master early (otherwise this is all the moot), elite samurai is a passable substitute.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Mar 6, 2024 14:31:32 GMT
Is the 3rd era's event for Hashiba supposed to just be a gain of 40 diplomatic points with Mori from -100 to -60?
Feels fairly lackluster just like the seemingly non-existent relations boost between Oda and Takeda (only when playing as Oda) from the 2nd era. Weren't we supposed to befriend them?
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Post by Airi Momoi on Mar 6, 2024 15:06:14 GMT
Is the 3rd era's event for Hashiba supposed to just be a gain of 40 diplomatic points with Mori from -100 to -60? Feels fairly lackluster just like the seemingly non-existent relations boost between Oda and Takeda (only when playing as Oda) from the 2nd era. Weren't we supposed to befriend them? There's a trigger when you continue attacking Bishu Takamatsu. Once you deal enough damage to Shimizu Muneharu, Terumoto will yield and make peace with you, ceding Bishu province and increasing your relationship to 60 with an automatic passage agreement.
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Mar 6, 2024 16:00:06 GMT
I see. Thanks. I just evacuated on Turn 1 upon seeing Mitsuhide right outside (New) Nijo Palace.
Odd that ET didn't use Kyoto itself or Honnoji in thos case.
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