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Post by jibon on Apr 13, 2020 8:26:14 GMT
Let's do the battle, Sun with Leeb vs Bing with Konev, both fully upgraded. Can't wait to see  |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 13, 2020 8:41:11 GMT
Let's do the battle, Sun with Leeb vs Bing with Konev, both fully upgraded. Can't wait to see I'm not suggesting that Leeb is stronger, but I'm saying that if you give plain fighting to Konev, he will be just a Leeb with 6 damage higher and 1 mobility lower (more or less equal to Leeb). In order to avoid this mistake that results in the almost exact equality and role between Konev and Leeb, we need to give Konev better role that only him can do, crowd supporting, after all he is the only artillery who has 2 empty skill slots. And Leeb will not be left behind either as they have different roles, both are important. To be honest, even after I give crowd to Konev, I still use him more often than Leeb (which means my separation of power makes both stronger without one being nerfed). |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 13, 2020 8:43:07 GMT
Let's do the battle, Sun with Leeb vs Bing with Konev, both fully upgraded. Can't wait to see I'm not suggesting that Leeb is stronger, but I'm saying that if you give plain fighting to Konev, he will be just a Leeb with 6 damage higher and 1 mobility lower (more or less equal to Leeb). In order to avoid this mistake that results in the almost exact equality and role between Konev and Leeb, we need to give Konev better role that only him can do, crowd supporting, after all he is the only artillery who has 2 empty skill slots. And Leeb will not be left behind either as they have different roles, both are important. To be honest, even after I give crowd to Konev, I still use him more often than Leeb (which means my separation of power makes both stronger without one being nerfed). again if I have never used Leeb in the first place (oops non messeleeb), I can just rely on Konev Arnold |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 13, 2020 9:00:05 GMT
I'm not suggesting that Leeb is stronger, but I'm saying that if you give plain fighting to Konev, he will be just a Leeb with 6 damage higher and 1 mobility lower (more or less equal to Leeb). In order to avoid this mistake that results in the almost exact equality and role between Konev and Leeb, we need to give Konev better role that only him can do, crowd supporting, after all he is the only artillery who has 2 empty skill slots. And Leeb will not be left behind either as they have different roles, both are important. To be honest, even after I give crowd to Konev, I still use him more often than Leeb (which means my separation of power makes both stronger without one being nerfed). again if I have never used Leeb in the first place (oops non messeleeb), I can just rely on Konev Arnold You can still give your accuracy and arty leader medals to Konev if you would like to, but crowd tactics is definitely better than plain fighting (especially on artilleries), plain fighting is also great though, give the plain medal to Leeb. For Arnold, I personally only use him when I need air forces and missiles (not the case in missions, but mostly in conquests). Believe me, Konev will be your new support artillery general + you don't to worry when not fighting in plains, crowd tactics work anywhere and boosts your team's output up to +90 compared to plain +37. Like I said, leave old man Arnold in town to support you from the air. Don't force him on the ground, it will trigger his heart attack😂 |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 13, 2020 9:11:31 GMT
again if I have never used Leeb in the first place (oops non messeleeb), I can just rely on Konev Arnold You can still give your accuracy and arty leader medals to Konev if you would like to, but crowd tactics is definitely better than plain fighting (especially on artilleries), plain fighting is also great though, give the plain medal to Leeb. For Arnold, I personally only use him when I need air forces and missiles (not the case in missions, but mostly in conquests). Believe me, Konev will be your new support artillery general + you don't to worry when not fighting in plains, crowd tactics work anywhere and boosts your team's output up to +90 compared to plain +37. Like I said, leave old man Arnold in town to support you from the air. Don't force him on the ground, it will trigger his heart attack😂 nah, for the sake of speed running (only thing left for me) I wont make any more changes to my final team, unless theres a very good reason to do so |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 13, 2020 9:35:38 GMT
You can still give your accuracy and arty leader medals to Konev if you would like to, but crowd tactics is definitely better than plain fighting (especially on artilleries), plain fighting is also great though, give the plain medal to Leeb. For Arnold, I personally only use him when I need air forces and missiles (not the case in missions, but mostly in conquests). Believe me, Konev will be your new support artillery general + you don't to worry when not fighting in plains, crowd tactics work anywhere and boosts your team's output up to +90 compared to plain +37. Like I said, leave old man Arnold in town to support you from the air. Don't force him on the ground, it will trigger his heart attack😂 nah, for the sake of speed running (only thing left for me) I wont make any more changes to my final team, unless theres a very good reason to do so Oh, there is. And speed running is not the only thing left for you😄 Btw, let's switch to "Konev's skill addition" |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 13, 2020 9:40:07 GMT
nah, for the sake of speed running (only thing left for me) I wont make any more changes to my final team, unless theres a very good reason to do so Oh, there is. And speed running is not the only thing left for you😄 Btw, let's switch to "Konev's skill addition" Im continuing on a diff topic; what other things can I do haha Ive done many guides, endsiegs, experiments, speed runs... |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 13, 2020 9:48:49 GMT
Oh, there is. And speed running is not the only thing left for you😄 Btw, let's switch to "Konev's skill addition" Im continuing on a diff topic; what other things can I do haha Ive done many guides, endsiegs, experiments, speed runs... Oh, you've never tried something like 'Mongolia 1950 Take over the world as much as you can' right? Or my favorite as a devout KMT officer 'ROC 1939 Take over 90% of Europe and Asia'. The key is to arm massively (which will need many survivable and support generals). And wait for your allies to be defeated, and then conquer their lands (kinda like backstabbing though😂). Or France 1950 make heavy fortifications to halt the Soviets (Maginot line 2.0). I always play conquests like these, and almost never get bored. |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 13, 2020 13:27:04 GMT
Im continuing on a diff topic; what other things can I do haha Ive done many guides, endsiegs, experiments, speed runs... Oh, you've never tried something like 'Mongolia 1950 Take over the world as much as you can' right? Or my favorite as a devout KMT officer 'ROC 1939 Take over 90% of Europe and Asia'. The key is to arm massively (which will need many survivable and support generals). And wait for your allies to be defeated, and then conquer their lands (kinda like backstabbing though😂). Or France 1950 make heavy fortifications to halt the Soviets (Maginot line 2.0). I always play conquests like these, and almost never get bored. oh so you dont know what an endsieg is? Basically what you are suggesting, just that it is a 100% takeover  |
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on Apr 13, 2020 13:35:01 GMT
Oh, you've never tried something like 'Mongolia 1950 Take over the world as much as you can' right? Or my favorite as a devout KMT officer 'ROC 1939 Take over 90% of Europe and Asia'. The key is to arm massively (which will need many survivable and support generals). And wait for your allies to be defeated, and then conquer their lands (kinda like backstabbing though😂). Or France 1950 make heavy fortifications to halt the Soviets (Maginot line 2.0). I always play conquests like these, and almost never get bored. oh so you dont know what an endsieg is? Basically what you are suggesting, just that it is a 100% takeover How long have you played? |
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on Apr 13, 2020 15:14:27 GMT
oh so you dont know what an endsieg is? Basically what you are suggesting, just that it is a 100% takeover How long have you played? For the endsieg or for my total wc4 experience? If its endsieg normally above 100 turns haha for experience, I joined the forum in late 2018 (to be a pioneer you need to be here in 2015, and to be the old guard pre 2017), and then I have just started playing wc4 for half a year (beginner fails). I lost my account in mid November, and I started a new one. Finished the game in ealry-mid 2019 |
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Post by phonethit on May 12, 2020 6:55:18 GMT
I gave konev Explosive as the fourth skills.
What should I give for the last?
I am thinking about plain fighting but I already give Guderian plain fight.
Any suggesstion? Thanks
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Post by Sun Li-jen of the Glorious RoC on May 12, 2020 12:31:17 GMT
I gave konev Explosive as the fourth skills. What should I give for the last? I am thinking about plain fighting but I already give Guderian plain fight. Any suggesstion? Thanks Rumor. Btw, you should've given crowd tactics as his 4th skill |
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Post by phonethit on May 12, 2020 14:06:33 GMT
I gave Explosive not crowd tactis.
Thanks for advice .I will add rumor.
I also added rumor to Guderian
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Post by Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby Jr on May 13, 2020 7:40:24 GMT
I gave Explosive not crowd tactis. Thanks for advice .I will add rumor. I also added rumor to Guderian Rumor is key |
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