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Post by jonblend on Jan 24, 2024 11:40:23 GMT
Now that more general added can you guys update this thread? It would help the beginner a lot I think that once you've played the game for several weeks you'll have enough knowledge and experience to properly assess all generals. So it's only necessary to avoid mistakes in the beginning. A cost effective start could look like this:
Buy Tito and Crerar
Next buy Leeb and upgrade 2 of his skills (preferably rumor) Complete the starter pass and get Pavlov for free. With four generals, you can complete all daily tasks and missions
After 7 days, Horton should come for free from the login event Next comes Guderian and discount generals such as Konev, Rommel etc
Once you finished campaign and work through frontier, Higuchi is a budget substitute for Yamashita (everyone's favorite inf general)
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Post by Nobunaga Oda on Jan 24, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
I can only hope they share your enthusiasm  A lot of writing, you know  Dear Stoic, I think this is not the place, but I want to ask, I am having difficulty in the 1939 conquest, where can I find the current guides? My generals: Pavlov, messe, leeb, horton. leeb's rumor is lvl 3, others are left untouched. I apologize if there are any mistakes, I used a translator. Thanks. Try the Library under The Way of the Emperor. european-war-4.boards.net/thread/6351/world-conqueror-4-libraryIf gens are mentioned, as long as your gens belong to the same class (e.g., horton as a substitute for an admiral like Nimitz). There shouldn't be a big difference unless you meant Challenge Conquest. |
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Post by jonblend on Jan 24, 2024 12:02:27 GMT
I can only hope they share your enthusiasm A lot of writing, you know True. Especially arguing why someone is slightly better in some cases than another one who might me cheaper etc is really tiresome. That's why I'd only sort them into very good, good and bad. And I think by reading older guides and the posts on individual generals it's easy to judge which category they belong to. |
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Post by saga on Jan 24, 2024 12:35:04 GMT
I mean Easytech is doing a lot of update for WC4 since last year and some of it is actually good so updating/create a new general rank will help this community
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Post by George Rudi on Jan 24, 2024 23:36:13 GMT
I mean Easytech is doing a lot of update for WC4 since last year and some of it is actually good so updating/create a new general rank will help this community NEW GENERALS Purple for endgame-level general like Rommel, Donitz, etc.Green for good support\ a bit worse than endgame generals
Yellow as not terrible if you have it but not the best for endgameRed as terrible and a complete waste of medal$ for IAP Arnim($): 5/6 panzer, 3/4 mobility, Lvl 3 Panzer Leader, Lvl 3 Blitzkrieg, Lvl 4 Desert Fighting, one free slot (Recommended: Armored Assault). For around 1 US dollar you have a Rommel-lite that already has some upgrades in panzer skills. Bastico: 4/6 panzer, 2/4 mobility, Lvl 3 Retaliation (+18 attack for two turns when friendly troop die within 1 grid), Lvl 3 Armored Assault, Lvl 2 Panzer Leader, one free slot (Blitzkrieg). If you don't have List, Bastico might be a cheaper option for you, but the lack of Explosives might force you to change tactics. Pavlov: Juliusz's copy, except a bit better (Pavlov costs nothing but achievements and already has Lvl 3 Armored Assault). So in short, a free Juliusz. Simonds: 3/5 panzer, 2/3 mobility, Lvl 2 Panzer Leader, Lvl 3 Machinist, Lvl 2 Ace Forces. Graziani-lite, but Graziani is already severely outclassed.
Leslie: 4/5 panzer, 2/3 mobility, Lvl 2 Fortification (-6% dmg received when on armored troops), Lvl 2 Panzer Leader, Lvl 2 Desert Fighting. Nope, too weak obviously. Chennault: 5/6 air force, 3/5 mobility, Lvl 4 Inspection (attacked unit has -80% counterattack rate, kind of like Blitz or Raider), Lvl 4 Air Force Leader, Lvl 4 Economic Expert, two free slots (maybe Carpet Bombing, Industrial Expert, or Technology Expert). Stand aside Arnold! There is a new contender!Darlan: 6 navy, 3/5 mobility, Lvl 4 Leadership (ship unit never falls to chaos, +16 dmg for the unit in command and other friendly units within 1 grid), Lvl 4 Fleet Leader, Lvl 4 Depot Ship, one free slot (Recommended: Rumor or Explosives). He made me regret investing on Horton. He has 6 stars! That is 3 more than Horton! Also he is a Colonel already. He has Leadership which is a better substitute to Wolfpack. He could be great for fleet auto-invasions.Yamaguchi: 5/6 air force, 5 navy, 3/4 mobility, Lvl 2 Naval Assault (+16% dmg when commanding ship, +5% of MAX HP once per turn), Lvl 2 Early Warning, Lvl 2 Air Force, two free slots (Recommended: Fleet Leader, and either Explosives or Rumor). Good attack and defense skills, outclasses not only Nimitz but also Yamamoto.
Mikawa: 5 navy, 3/5 mobility, Lvl 2 Night Raid (24% chance of no counterattack when on ship), Lvl 3 Fleet Leader, Lvl 3 Wolfpack, one free slot (Recommended: Rumor or Explosives). This is the first time I see an admiral with a defensive skill like Night Raider. His price and skills alone already outclass Nimitz.Higuchi: 5 infantry, 4/5 mobility, Lvl 2 Counter (enemy receives 10% of the damage they dealt, provided that no anti-counterattack skill triggered), Lvl 3 Infantry Leader, Lvl 2 Raider, one free slot (Recommended: Explosives). A cheap McArthur! Sign me up! already made beta version of it, you can count in it. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jan 25, 2024 5:40:59 GMT
Unfortunately, quite often these threads don't reflect the current state of affairs. Moreover, quite often they represent personal opinions of authors, sometimes ill-founded or dubious at best. So, it is pointless to update such threads. It is better to create a new one. Better by players who already completed the game and know what they are talking about I recommend Erich von Manstein, journeykeen, jonblend, or Darth Nihilus to make a new one 🤭 This is something that requires extra caution because I see misguiding beginners as one of the worst things to do. I'm a bit reluctant to do it right now since the release of new generals in future updates is almost guaranteed. Who would've thought both competitors for best admiral, one of them being a new general, become obsolete after just one update? That being said, it's pretty unlikely that Guderian, Konev, Rommel, and Arnold will fall out of favor for F2P. I'd recommend for beginners to prioritize the first 3 and be conservative with additional spending until future updates. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jan 25, 2024 6:10:09 GMT
Now that more general added can you guys update this thread? It would help the beginner a lot I think that once you've played the game for several weeks you'll have enough knowledge and experience to properly assess all generals. So it's only necessary to avoid mistakes in the beginning. A cost effective start could look like this:
Buy Tito and Crerar
Next buy Leeb and upgrade 2 of his skills (preferably rumor) Complete the starter pass and get Pavlov for free. With four generals, you can complete all daily tasks and missions
After 7 days, Horton should come for free from the login event Next comes Guderian and discount generals such as Konev, Rommel etc
Once you finished campaign and work through frontier, Higuchi is a budget substitute for Yamashita (everyone's favorite inf general)
I think beginners should aim straight for Guderian now, given the more generous early game rewards. |
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Post by jonblend on Jan 25, 2024 16:37:24 GMT
I think that once you've played the game for several weeks you'll have enough knowledge and experience to properly assess all generals. So it's only necessary to avoid mistakes in the beginning. A cost effective start could look like this:
Buy Tito and Crerar
Next buy Leeb and upgrade 2 of his skills (preferably rumor) Complete the starter pass and get Pavlov for free. With four generals, you can complete all daily tasks and missions
After 7 days, Horton should come for free from the login event Next comes Guderian and discount generals such as Konev, Rommel etc
Once you finished campaign and work through frontier, Higuchi is a budget substitute for Yamashita (everyone's favorite inf general)
I think beginners should aim straight for Guderian now, given the more generous early game rewards. Yeah, it depends if saga is new to ET games or a veteran who likes to complete the early game without generals. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Jan 26, 2024 1:10:09 GMT
I think beginners should aim straight for Guderian now, given the more generous early game rewards. Yeah, it depends if saga is new to ET games or a veteran who likes to complete the early game without generals. No I'm saying even beginners of ET games in general can now consider going straight to Guderian. You get 1850 (500 initial + 1200 daily login + 100 beginner pass + 50 battle pass) medals by doing pretty much nothing. 1939 conquests give 800 medals in total and tutorials give 300. Not a single level of campaign completed and you have Guderian. |
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Post by stoic on Jan 26, 2024 5:14:01 GMT
Yeah, it depends if saga is new to ET games or a veteran who likes to complete the early game without generals. No I'm saying even beginners of ET games in general can now consider going straight to Guderian. You get 1850 (500 initial + 1200 daily login + 100 beginner pass + 50 battle pass) medals by doing pretty much nothing. 1939 conquests give 800 medals in total and tutorials give 300. Not a single level of campaign completed and you have Guderian. We have a second package of free medals only on 12th day  Besides, many new players struggle to play (let alone to win) conquests even having some generals at their disposal. So, only a very experienced player can win them without any general from the scratch, so, I tend to agree with jonblend |
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Post by jonblend on Jan 26, 2024 11:54:17 GMT
Yeah, it depends if saga is new to ET games or a veteran who likes to complete the early game without generals. No I'm saying even beginners of ET games in general can now consider going straight to Guderian. You get 1850 (500 initial + 1200 daily login + 100 beginner pass + 50 battle pass) medals by doing pretty much nothing. 1939 conquests give 800 medals in total and tutorials give 300. Not a single level of campaign completed and you have Guderian. It's hard to determine what constitutes a good early game experience.
For some it's efficiency, the certainty of knowing to do the right and approved thing and getting to the best general immediately so they are stubborn enough to tolerate the frustration of very slow conquest paired with not being able to doing anything that requires one or two generals (tasks, invasion, etc).
Others see uncertainty as an opportunity to learn something new (even if it ends up being a mistake), prefer to explore the mechanics and game modes and hate missing out on things on these first days (which is negligible in the long run, but that's a different expression of stubbornness/dedication).
Fortunately, both (and probably many more of) these mindsets exist but imo this makes it hard to give general recommendations for what a new player should and shouldn't do |
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Post by stoic on Jan 27, 2024 15:55:36 GMT
No I'm saying even beginners of ET games in general can now consider going straight to Guderian. You get 1850 (500 initial + 1200 daily login + 100 beginner pass + 50 battle pass) medals by doing pretty much nothing. 1939 conquests give 800 medals in total and tutorials give 300. Not a single level of campaign completed and you have Guderian. It's hard to determine what constitutes a good early game experience.
For some it's efficiency, the certainty of knowing to do the right and approved thing and getting to the best general immediately so they are stubborn enough to tolerate the frustration of very slow conquest paired with not being able to doing anything that requires one or two generals (tasks, invasion, etc).
Others see uncertainty as an opportunity to learn something new (even if it ends up being a mistake), prefer to explore the mechanics and game modes and hate missing out on things on these first days (which is negligible in the long run, but that's a different expression of stubbornness/dedication).
Fortunately, both (and probably many more of) these mindsets exist but imo this makes it hard to give general recommendations for what a new player should and shouldn't do Well, maybe in the long run those rewards we may miss on first days are negligible indeed, but from a new player's standpoint they are too valuable just to ignore them. Here is an example. "Hold the ground" missions on normal can provide a player with more than 200 medals and other resources. Is it possible to complete them with one Guderian? Highly doubtful...  Another example - farming Ribbons You technically can't farm them with one Guderian.  |
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Post by jonblend on Jan 27, 2024 20:16:27 GMT
Well, maybe in the long run those rewards we may miss on first days are negligible indeed, but from a new player's standpoint they are too valuable just to ignore them. Here is an example. "Hold the ground" missions on normal can provide a player with more than 200 medals and other resources. Is it possible to complete them with one Guderian? Highly doubtful... Another example - farming Ribbons You technically can't farm them with one Guderian. "quantity has it's own quality" comes to my mind Out of curiosity, have you already done any conquests and, if yes, how did you fare? |
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Post by stoic on Jan 27, 2024 20:29:00 GMT
Well, maybe in the long run those rewards we may miss on first days are negligible indeed, but from a new player's standpoint they are too valuable just to ignore them. Here is an example. "Hold the ground" missions on normal can provide a player with more than 200 medals and other resources. Is it possible to complete them with one Guderian? Highly doubtful... Another example - farming Ribbons You technically can't farm them with one Guderian. "quantity has it's own quality" comes to my mind Out of curiosity, have you already done any conquests and, if yes, how did you fare? Only 1939 to collect achievements rewards. I did it as Finland and it took 50 turns. I played it when I only had Tito and Cerar, so it is definitely recommended as a first conquest for new players. |
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Post by Erich von Manstein on Feb 5, 2024 6:33:33 GMT
No I'm saying even beginners of ET games in general can now consider going straight to Guderian. You get 1850 (500 initial + 1200 daily login + 100 beginner pass + 50 battle pass) medals by doing pretty much nothing. 1939 conquests give 800 medals in total and tutorials give 300. Not a single level of campaign completed and you have Guderian. We have a second package of free medals only on 12th day Besides, many new players struggle to play (let alone to win) conquests even having some generals at their disposal. So, only a very experienced player can win them without any general from the scratch, so, I tend to agree with jonblend Remember I didn't take campaigns, challenge conquests, events, and challenges into consideration. Beginners should be able to gather at least 600 medals from there. If doing 3 regular conquests is too much then we can narrow it to just Finland, and you can get an S with Finland even you finish in 100+ turns. A beginner should be able to beat Finland and collect that 650 medals by following guides. |
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