sky233
Staff Sergeant
Posts: 5
|
Post by sky233 on Jan 18, 2018 23:29:30 GMT
Underestimate general, Crerar, a name you might never heard of, although he’s only a bronze infantry general but he has one of the best skill for team fight [Crowd Tactics], which increase surrounding allies attack power, more importantly, he’s definitely worth the price of 375 medals and even comes with lv2 Crowd Tactics ! (You could fill him up for daily tasks too if you’d like.) 
Here’s the growth chart of Crowd Tactics Skill Level Attack bonus Attack bonus with Victory Medal(+50%) Upgrade cost(Medals) lv1 4 6 150 lv2 8 12 250 lv3 12 18 350 lv4 16 24 450 lv5 20 30 550 It can be inference that at max level with Victory Medal, Crerar essential is giving allies 6 stars +30 bonus attack on everything ! ( Inf,Tank,Art, Air except Naval) This is insane consider upgrading each general stats individually is much more expensive. As a support general, Crerar has to survive at all cost to enable his buff so don’t swing with him unless finishing off dying troops.(which happens quite often) It is best to use him on tank rather than art or inf, ( higher defense) stand close behind your Guderian and Konev to bonus their damage, make them one shot one skill, speaking of true beasts.  By the way, since Crerar has no marching stats, you need to micromanage him and put him in the best position to capitalize his monstrous buff, that is also why I prefer put him on light or medium tank, slightly more mobility. Overall, Crerar is a decent general that got overlooked, he’s really cheap economically with a damage bonus aura, for only 375 medals ? hell yeah, sign me up ! Quick Navigation |
|
|
|
Post by ehnoymanoy on Jan 18, 2018 23:36:14 GMT
Underestimate general, Crerar, a name you might never heard of, although he’s only a bronze infantry general but he has one of the best skill for team fight [Crowd Tactics], which increase surrounding allies attack power, more importantly, he’s definitely worth the price of 375 medals and even comes with lv2 Crowd Tactics ! (You could fill him up for daily tasks too if you’d like.)
Here’s the growth chart of Crowd Tactics Skill Level Attack bonus Attack bonus with Victory Medal(+50%) Upgrade cost(Medals) lv1 4 6 150 lv2 8 12 250 lv3 12 18 350 lv4 16 24 450 lv5 20 30 550 It can be inference that at max level with Victory Medal, Crerar essential is giving allies 6 stars +30 bonus attack on everything ! ( Inf,Tank,Art, Air except Naval) This is insane consider upgrading each general stats individually is much more expensive. As a support general, Crerar has to survive at all cost to enable his buff so don’t swing with him unless finishing off dying troops.(which happens quite often) It is best to use him on tank rather than art or inf, ( higher defense) stand close behind your Guderian and Konev to bonus their damage, make them one shot one skill, speaking of true beasts. By the way, since Crerar has no marching stats, you need to micromanage him and put him in the best position to capitalize his monstrous buff, that is also why I prefer put him on light or medium tank, slightly more mobility. Overall, Crerar is a decent general that got overlooked, he’s really cheap economically with a damage bonus aura, for only 375 medals ? hell yeah, sign me up ! Agreed, though people usually go for the 480 medal Messe for his adaptability for even mid-game fights. Crerar is a great support, though Messe is more favored due to his famed Rumor skill. Crerar however, can prove strong up until the end, don't get me wrong, but as a player continues to make progress, the general roster would soon be filled by stronger generals who can also perform Crerar's task as well as prove a better fighting effort. Awesome buffer for his price! One of my favorites, I've used him in WC3 extensively. |
|
|
|
Post by Singlemalt on Jan 19, 2018 4:52:57 GMT
Its an interesting suggestion! However, I think for the end game he is a bit weak..
Lets discuss whether we should add this skill on 1 of our end game generals instead of another skill?
Maybe on your 3th tank general?
|
|
|
|
Post by odm on Jan 19, 2018 5:13:05 GMT
While the idea is interesting, it is not that great to stick your generals because rocket artillery awaits you  . Then, just upgrading Crowd from lv 2 to 3 costs 350 medals, which is almost the same cost of buying Crerar. In order to make him a decent tank/infantry commander and get crowd to lv 5(he has good upgrade potential), you'd have to spend about 2000 medals I think, for which you could get Vatutin. Because of that, it would be better to give that to Guderian or Rundstedt. However, there are two issues: 1.Crowd Tactics is hard to use, and with powerful tank generals it's an overkill. 2. The price of this ability is just ... out of the world Lv1: 150 Lv2: 250 Lv3: 350 Lv4:  (Maybe for 450) Lv5: (Maybe for 550) Due to the initial being 150, it is likely that it has the same price as Blitzkrieg and Guerilla ( or Wolfpack and Elastic defense) so maybe someone kind enough will say them. |
|
|
|
Post by Der Kommandeur on Jan 19, 2018 6:28:11 GMT
I mantained him on my team until now, I am at the Cold War Scenario. Since he can’t follow the pace of my tank generals, I use him to boost the attack of my second-line troops and artilleries, making them pack a punch, even again generals.
After all, he is cheap and he is versatile if you want to him in combat roles, definitely worth the buy and some upgrade you may need to do on him.
Very good guide about this understimated general!
|
|
|
|
Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Jan 30, 2018 10:18:57 GMT
I am close to finish the game (left just last UN scenario and 1 exercise + 1 battle I guess), and now I'm considering to start over without farming after I'll finish. That could be more interesting at least before buying strong gens. I usually don't play more than 1 scenario per day, so it will take quite a long time to get medals for good gen, and I looked at cheap gens to buy for invasions and tasks from the very beginning. I stopped at Creat, the rason why I have chosen him not Messe is the following (assuming that's not a good idea to upgrade gen, which you will dismiss later):
Inf: Messe has 3 stars and Crear too.
Tank: Messe has 4 stars and lv1 AA, Crear has 2 stars something around -13 attack in early game.
Art: Messe has 1 star, Crear has 2 stars +4 attack.
Messe has 2 air stars, Crear 0, but you will use air raids very rarely, especially in early game and with the possibility to use your only gen for that.
Messe also has lv1 rumor, but 15% chance to reduce morale is not so notable.
Messe has lv1 crowd tactics, Crear has lv2. In invasions, where all your units are close, you can easily keep 2 units close to your gen, getting 8 extra attack more than Messe.
So finally Crear has:
Inf: +8 attack
Tank: -5 attack
Art: +12 attack
Besides that Messe has a small chance of rumor, but Crear has small damage reduction from arts and also small chance of infantry leader.
My conclusion is yes, Messe could be more useful for scenarios, conquests and domination, where you can use him in tank, but for other types of domination Crear is better. Assuming that initially the biggest problem are invasions, I will choose him if I'll decide to start once again.
|
|
|
|
Post by stoic on Jan 30, 2018 15:02:03 GMT
I am close to finish the game (left just last UN scenario and 1 exercise + 1 battle I guess), and now I'm considering to start over without farming after I'll finish. That could be more interesting at least before buying strong gens. I usually don't play more than 1 scenario per day, so it will take quite a long time to get medals for good gen, and I looked at cheap gens to buy for invasions and tasks from the very beginning. I stopped at Creat, the rason why I have chosen him not Messe is the following (assuming that's not a good idea to upgrade gen, which you will dismiss later): Inf: Messe has 3 stars and Crear too. Tank: Messe has 4 stars and lv1 AA, Crear has 2 stars something around -13 attack in early game. Art: Messe has 1 star, Crear has 2 stars +4 attack. Messe has 2 air stars, Crear 0, but you will use air raids very rarely, especially in early game and with the possibility to use your only gen for that. Messe also has lv1 rumor, but 15% chance to reduce morale is not so notable. Messe has lv1 crowd tactics, Crear has lv2. In invasions, where all your units are close, you can easily keep 2 units close to your gen, getting 8 extra attack more than Messe. So finally Crear has: Inf: +8 attack Tank: -5 attack Art: +12 attack Besides that Messe has a small chance of rumor, but Crear has small damage reduction from arts and also small chance of infantry leader. My conclusion is yes, Messe could be more useful for scenarios, conquests and domination, where you can use him in tank, but for other types of domination Crear is better. Assuming that initially the biggest problem are invasions, I will choose him if I'll decide to start once again. I've completed normal UN missions some time ago (all of them with 3 stars), but haven't played hard mode missions yet. On one hand I don't have much time right now, but on the other hand it is due to (probably false) presuppositions that it is quite difficult to receive 3 stars for some of those missions. For example, andrei (whom I respect as a strong player) needed to upgrade almost all of his first team generals up to the purple rank to receive 3 stars for UN 7 and 8 (if I remember correctly). In your opinion: is there a great difference between normal and hard mode? |
|
|
|
Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Jan 30, 2018 16:28:33 GMT
I am close to finish the game (left just last UN scenario and 1 exercise + 1 battle I guess), and now I'm considering to start over without farming after I'll finish. That could be more interesting at least before buying strong gens. I usually don't play more than 1 scenario per day, so it will take quite a long time to get medals for good gen, and I looked at cheap gens to buy for invasions and tasks from the very beginning. I stopped at Creat, the rason why I have chosen him not Messe is the following (assuming that's not a good idea to upgrade gen, which you will dismiss later): Inf: Messe has 3 stars and Crear too. Tank: Messe has 4 stars and lv1 AA, Crear has 2 stars something around -13 attack in early game. Art: Messe has 1 star, Crear has 2 stars +4 attack. Messe has 2 air stars, Crear 0, but you will use air raids very rarely, especially in early game and with the possibility to use your only gen for that. Messe also has lv1 rumor, but 15% chance to reduce morale is not so notable. Messe has lv1 crowd tactics, Crear has lv2. In invasions, where all your units are close, you can easily keep 2 units close to your gen, getting 8 extra attack more than Messe. So finally Crear has: Inf: +8 attack Tank: -5 attack Art: +12 attack Besides that Messe has a small chance of rumor, but Crear has small damage reduction from arts and also small chance of infantry leader. My conclusion is yes, Messe could be more useful for scenarios, conquests and domination, where you can use him in tank, but for other types of domination Crear is better. Assuming that initially the biggest problem are invasions, I will choose him if I'll decide to start once again. I've completed normal UN missions some time ago (all of them with 3 stars), but haven't played hard mode missions yet. On one hand I don't have much time right now, but on the other hand it is due to (probably false) presuppositions that it is quite difficult to receive 3 stars for some of those missions. For example, andrei (whom I respect as a strong player) needed to upgrade almost all of his first team generals up to the purple rank to receive 3 stars for UN 7 and 8 (if I remember correctly). In your opinion: is there a great difference between normal and hard mode? Difference is quite notable. But while you clear all silver UN you get more than 1K medals, also you get 210 medals for each 3 hard golden stars besides that you can get some 150+ medals from invasions every day, so you have quite good possibilities to upgrade your gens. I do like this: when I clear any scenario first time, I play next and replay it to get 3 stars somewhere later. And in UN hard I have 2 stars in 3rd and 1 star in 8th, other levels I 3-starred from first successful try. Sure, almost all levels I had to restart some time before clearing, but overall that wasn't so hard. Even UN8, where I got 1 star, I cleared from first try and I made some notable mistakes in the beginning, so I continued to play just for investigation, but on the way I saw that looks like I will be able to win and did it. Haven't tried it any more, but I think that have to be not so hard to get 3 stars with my current gens. UN 9 hard I played once by mistake (wanted to play NATO 6, but by mistake launched UN 9). I used just hit and run strategy, thinking that it's NATO 6 and was quite surprised than I saw my gens dying. But in fact it haven't looked so hard. My gens don't have any rank upgrades for medals (just red and default ranks) and skills are maxed only for Guderian. All other have around 1.5K-2.5K worth upgrades. Now UN 9 hard is the next scenario I'll play, so soon I'll try it with full strength. |
|
|
|
Post by stoic on Jan 31, 2018 11:32:44 GMT
I've completed normal UN missions some time ago (all of them with 3 stars), but haven't played hard mode missions yet. On one hand I don't have much time right now, but on the other hand it is due to (probably false) presuppositions that it is quite difficult to receive 3 stars for some of those missions. For example, andrei (whom I respect as a strong player) needed to upgrade almost all of his first team generals up to the purple rank to receive 3 stars for UN 7 and 8 (if I remember correctly). In your opinion: is there a great difference between normal and hard mode? Difference is quite notable. But while you clear all silver UN you get more than 1K medals, also you get 210 medals for each 3 hard golden stars besides that you can get some 150+ medals from invasions every day, so you have quite good possibilities to upgrade your gens. I do like this: when I clear any scenario first time, I play next and replay it to get 3 stars somewhere later. And in UN hard I have 2 stars in 3rd and 1 star in 8th, other levels I 3-starred from first successful try. Sure, almost all levels I had to restart some time before clearing, but overall that wasn't so hard. Even UN8, where I got 1 star, I cleared from first try and I made some notable mistakes in the beginning, so I continued to play just for investigation, but on the way I saw that looks like I will be able to win and did it. Haven't tried it any more, but I think that have to be not so hard to get 3 stars with my current gens. UN 9 hard I played once by mistake (wanted to play NATO 6, but by mistake launched UN 9). I used just hit and run strategy, thinking that it's NATO 6 and was quite surprised than I saw my gens dying. But in fact it haven't looked so hard. My gens don't have any rank upgrades for medals (just red and default ranks) and skills are maxed only for Guderian. All other have around 1.5K-2.5K worth upgrades. Now UN 9 hard is the next scenario I'll play, so soon I'll try it with full strength. I had time today and completed one of them with 3 stars from the first attempt. So maybe there is no need to upgrade all of my generals' ranks as well. |
|
|
|
Post by Max Otto von Stierlitz on Jan 31, 2018 17:05:02 GMT
Difference is quite notable. But while you clear all silver UN you get more than 1K medals, also you get 210 medals for each 3 hard golden stars besides that you can get some 150+ medals from invasions every day, so you have quite good possibilities to upgrade your gens. I do like this: when I clear any scenario first time, I play next and replay it to get 3 stars somewhere later. And in UN hard I have 2 stars in 3rd and 1 star in 8th, other levels I 3-starred from first successful try. Sure, almost all levels I had to restart some time before clearing, but overall that wasn't so hard. Even UN8, where I got 1 star, I cleared from first try and I made some notable mistakes in the beginning, so I continued to play just for investigation, but on the way I saw that looks like I will be able to win and did it. Haven't tried it any more, but I think that have to be not so hard to get 3 stars with my current gens. UN 9 hard I played once by mistake (wanted to play NATO 6, but by mistake launched UN 9). I used just hit and run strategy, thinking that it's NATO 6 and was quite surprised than I saw my gens dying. But in fact it haven't looked so hard. My gens don't have any rank upgrades for medals (just red and default ranks) and skills are maxed only for Guderian. All other have around 1.5K-2.5K worth upgrades. Now UN 9 hard is the next scenario I'll play, so soon I'll try it with full strength. I had time today and completed one of them with 3 stars from the first attempt. So maybe there is no need to upgrade all of my generals' ranks as well. Tried UN9 hard. From first try I was close to get 2 stars, but things went wrong when americans turned against me, after that I had some chance to get 1 star, but that failed too. Though in this scenario idea when your allies turn against you worked ok (not like in normal mode, where that doesn't affect anything). At second try I adjusted my strategy for that and got 3 stars on the last turn with some $120 and 2 tech left. All my gens were barely alive and if I hadn't finished that turn, gens would die next turn. Though I had a bit bigger reserve, just shoot more missile that needed to be 100% sure that my Guderian with some 100 hp left will kill enemy and capture city. But I also made some mistakes, which could be fixed. My gens have no rank upgrades (just red and with default rank), my Guderian has maxed skills (four lv5 and one lv4), Rommel has 3 lv 4-5 skills and 2 not upgraded, other gens have only lv5 rumor and may be some of them have 1-2 skills upgraded 1 level. In fact rumor was key factor which helped me very much. In fact I think for UN hard is ok if you have one good tank gen with blitz, PL and AA medal and 4 gens with lv5 rumor. And the best combination is 3 tank, 2 art and 1 navy. |
|
|
|
Post by NetherFreek on Feb 1, 2018 11:51:10 GMT
Lieutenant Infantry 3 (5) Artillery 2 (3) Tank 2 (4) Air 0 (0) Navy 1 (3) Movement 0 (0) Infantry Leader lvl1 Crowd Tactics lvl2 Entrenchment lvl1 Price 375 |
|
Professor Duck
Captain
lutheran, libertarian, universitarian
Posts: 59
|
Post by Professor Duck on Mar 29, 2018 10:51:15 GMT
Yay
|
|
|
|
Post by Charlemagne on Sept 23, 2018 15:54:47 GMT
While the idea is interesting, it is not that great to stick your generals because rocket artillery awaits you . Then, just upgrading Crowd from lv 2 to 3 costs 350 medals, which is almost the same cost of buying Crerar. In order to make him a decent tank/infantry commander and get crowd to lv 5(he has good upgrade potential), you'd have to spend about 2000 medals I think, for which you could get Vatutin. Because of that, it would be better to give that to Guderian or Rundstedt. However, there are two issues: 1.Crowd Tactics is hard to use, and with powerful tank generals it's an overkill. 2. The price of this ability is just ... out of the world Lv1: 150 Lv2: 250 Lv3: 350 Lv4: (Maybe for 450) Lv5: (Maybe for 550) Due to the initial being 150, it is likely that it has the same price as Blitzkrieg and Guerilla ( or Wolfpack and Elastic defense) so maybe someone kind enough will say them. I got messe first. Should i get this guy next |
|
|
|
Post by Friedrich “Fried Rice” Paulus on Sept 23, 2018 19:54:02 GMT
While the idea is interesting, it is not that great to stick your generals because rocket artillery awaits you . Then, just upgrading Crowd from lv 2 to 3 costs 350 medals, which is almost the same cost of buying Crerar. In order to make him a decent tank/infantry commander and get crowd to lv 5(he has good upgrade potential), you'd have to spend about 2000 medals I think, for which you could get Vatutin. Because of that, it would be better to give that to Guderian or Rundstedt. However, there are two issues: 1.Crowd Tactics is hard to use, and with powerful tank generals it's an overkill. 2. The price of this ability is just ... out of the world Lv1: 150 Lv2: 250 Lv3: 350 Lv4: (Maybe for 450) Lv5: (Maybe for 550) Due to the initial being 150, it is likely that it has the same price as Blitzkrieg and Guerilla ( or Wolfpack and Elastic defense) so maybe someone kind enough will say them. I got messe first. Should i get this guy next Timoshenko has crowd tactics. I believe messe had too. I would personally go for some that can use the iron cross medal well, so vatutin would be my suggestion. |
|
|
|
Post by Charlemagne on Sept 24, 2018 1:32:12 GMT
I got messe first. Should i get this guy next Timoshenko has crowd tactics. I believe messe had too. I would personally go for some that can use the iron cross medal well, so vatutin would be my suggestion. I cant save up for him. How do you win sicily campaign |
|
. Then, just upgrading Crowd from lv 2 to 3 costs 350 medals, which is almost the same cost of buying Crerar. In order to make him a decent tank/infantry commander and get crowd to lv 5(he has good upgrade potential), you'd have to spend about 2000 medals I think, for which you could get Vatutin. 
(Maybe for 450)
